NO MORE INDIANS IN CLEVELAND

The Cleveland Baseball franchise is dropping their Indian mascot, in response to Native American complaints that the name was disrespectful, as the Washington football team recently did.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...m-name-here-are-some-of-the-best-options/amp/

Though I don't follow sports any more, the article was entertaining. Anyone care to speculate on which name Cleveland, or Washington, will choose as a replacement? And what does this mean for the future of the CHEIFS?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sp...ame-change-options/17addpgbo88h51kkj1cgouwrgm

For Washington, I think
Red Wolves is the most likely, of those generating buzz. I'm not as big a fan of Red Hawks: it seems to clash with the idea of the bald eagle being our national symbol.

Red Tails, unfortunately, has a less-than-intimidating sound to it, because it would be a tribute to the Tuskegee Airmen, the 1st black pilots for the U.S. military, in WWII. I do like the name Renegades, though. But I think that's a long-shot.

For Cleveland, I think the Buckeyes is the leading contender. It's not only a statewide nickname for Ohioans, but would be a tribute to a former Cleveland team in the Negro league.

Another name that kind of grows on you, is the Cleveland Fellers. It would, variously, say that they're gonna bring-you-down; that they're those guys from Cleveland (the fella-rs-- remember, this is BASEball; they name teams after the color of their socks); and would be a tribute to the franchise's most famous player, Bob Feller.

Other possibilities are the Cleveland Crows, or-- and I don't know why I can't scratch this one off the list-- the Spiders.

 

How about the Cleveland snowflakes? Has a good ring to it doesn't it? Or how about we just get rid of teams and everybody just goes out on the field and does their best so nobody feels left out or defeated? Pfft. Progressives. What a joke.

 

I think Cleveland... like Washington.... need to change their color schemes... A horrid color yellow might suffice.

 

Already Posted.

A good discussion can be found in the original thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ge-nickname-‘cancel-culture-at-work-’.582484/

 

Buckeyes is already taken by Ohio State.

 

How about Schmuckeyes.

 

How bout those wimpy Christians in Florida. Now thems some cancel culture aficionados. Because of the name of a fish. Good Lord, can't be naming our teams after satanic fish now can we.

 

I don't think it's a good idea to pick an animal because he eventually Peta be on your ass

 

So you managed to squeeze an ad hom a thread derail, and bating all in two loose sentences... brava....

 

I wish they'd just call them "Baseball Team #1", and we get rid of all mascots and city names, because somewhere down the line, everything is racist except maybe numbers, depending on which numbers they are.

 

It's strange but I have the exact opposite feeling about teams naming themselves Redskins, Indians , Black Hawks etc. I feel that these teams took these names because they admired these groups, not because they were mocking or degrading them. Who would want to name their team after something they did not admire???

 

Nope. Just highlighting the faux outrage.

 

No. Sorry. Math is also racist according to the Left.

 

Yeah, I feel the same way, though, "Redskins," I can see as sounding insulting (cf. the Blackskins, Brownskins, Darkies; the Yellowskins). But Warriors, Indians, Cheifs, aren't derogatory.

I guess it has to do with seeming to satirize their culture; the mascots may have a lot to do with it.

 

Mr. Cancel Culture himself. Pathetic whimps. Liberals are absolutely nuts!

 

Your post reminded me of something I just read about one of the early 20th century, Depression era groups, founded due to economic disparities:

"The Technocrats believed that the solution to all problems of economic security were the same, the rigorous application of engineering principles in a system freed from the Price System. They conceived of retirement as being made possible at age 45 for everyone due to the vast prosperity the new age of Technocracy would usher in. Rejecting all forms of traditional political science, the Technocrats refused to even use standard geographical maps because their boundaries were political, so they would refer to states only by their geographical coordinates. Names, too, were suspect for some reason so members of the movement in California were designated only by numbers. A speaker at one California rally was introduced only as 1x1809x56!

"Oddly enough, alone among this collection of radical movements of the 1930s, the Technocracy movement survives, if not quite thrives, into the present day."

https://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html

Among the admirers of Theocracy, at the time, were authors H.G. Wells & Theodore Dreiser. By the way, this group was NOT of the political LEFT: they believe ALL political systems & philosophies are unsound.


The article details the birth of our Social Security system. I have much of it posted, in three segments, in the THEORIES & BELIEFS forum, under the thread, Why is there so much hate?
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...y-us-so-divided.582259/page-6#post-1072286839

 

I hadn't seen it, before. Thanks for the clue-in. I just checked it out & my intended spin on the issue is different. I was mostly wanting to fly some prospective new names up the flag pole. But thus far, you're right, that other thread seems to be reiterating itself.

 

Agreed, but I don't think it matters. If a group of people don't want to be used as team names, we should respect their wishes. Changing the name because Devil Rays was objectionable to Christians was achieved. If we can change names because a team chose the wrong fish, we can change them because of racial overtones. The Washington Bullets name was changed to the Wizards, because of the serious gun violence in DC at the time. That was sensible. So we have a fish and ammunition. Surely we can honor people who don't want their culture displayed in caricature.

 

I don't know if you're really getting into the re-naming spirit of the thread. BTW, I don't think it's fair to blame Progressives, specifically, for this. But don't worry-- I'll get over it.

 

I was reading quickly, my first time through my replies, & I see now I'd misread yours: I had thought you'd written faux orange. I hadn't understood the post, but assumed it had something to do with Trump.

 

Hes got mad skillz

 

I chose all the names I listed from the linked articles. So it is probably at least under consideration. I really hadn't thought about it, but you're right: it wouldn't do to have a copycat name-- so the Cleveland Fellers, it is! That was the one I most liked, anyway.

 

I don't see Chi Cowboys comment so much as an ad hominem as a comparison between different groups and things they find as objectionable names for sports franchises (with the Indians, though, I think the visual imagery was as much the problem as the name). Thus, I don't see it as a thread derail, either. And as far as baiting, that goes naturally with fish! (& w/ Christians).

 

Your rationale is well reasoned, & a civically diplomatic view. In reality, however, name changes usually have less to do with consideration for others' feelings, but are more about finances; if you're going to lose a lot of Christian customers because of your name, that just won't do. I hadn't heard of the Devil Rays' controversy, but I'll bet it didn't take long for the team to concede; there are a lot of Christians among their fan base, & an embargo was in the foreseeable future if they didn't cave (it does seem a bit silly, to me, to be bothered by the name of an actual fish; what's next, forcing the scientific community to change its name? Though, of course, that's not its scientific name. What did they go with, instead? I wonder if the compromise of using its scientific name was considered. Would you think Mobulas or Mobulars was better? I vote for Mobulas, because it doubles as a tribute to the way Floridians handled their hanging-chad affair, which led to Bush v. Gore: by forming mobs.)

To return to what I was saying about the power of economic impact, I'm sure the paucity of Native Americans one finds at sports arenas (or anywhere, save maybe reservations) is the reason it took so long for the Redskins' owner to come around. And it was only because non-native Americans eventually recognized the affront, that he ever did.

 

Of course, and like it or not, social justice has been a wise business decision for many years. I believe it was our current VP Mike Pence who caught the wrath of organized money during the gay marriage debate.

But yes, I was speaking from a moralistic view, which to me is just common decency. The business moves are out of my hands.

Mobula, yes. Clever. I thought the objections were petty, but the Rays it is. Sounds Catholic.