Just give it up black knight,. there are no more limbs for us to hack off and we tire of you bleeding on us
Maybe Ronstar wants us to split the 2A into 2 amendments. We can have the right to keep arms and another amendment to preserve the right to bear arms
its already been stated in this thread many times, that there is not one single law that both makes it illegal to make straw purchases & sell such guns across state lines without an FFL.
both actions are illegal. and both are banned by the GCA of 68 so yet we will add this to a long list of things you are completely wrong about
Maybe you should write your congressman about this major oversight. We can't be charging criminals with an extra felony. That's just cruel and I humane to waste ink on court documents with an extra charge. Think of the trees!
I guess you aren't able to figure out that its two sections of the same law so once again your fail increases, are you just unable to understand what is given to you or do you just ignore what people tell you in order to aggravate other posters?
Well Ole Ronnie went from this: to this: You got him to admit that there was a law in only 107 posts, maybe by post 1,254 you will have him totally capitulating. NAHHHH LOL, his thing is
There is indeed one law to punish both, as has been shown. They are punished in the form of separate charges, as there is no need for excessive redundancy. Unless you are proposing an immediate end to the separate charges of trafficking firearms across state law, and engaging in a straw purchase, in order to replace them with engaging in a straw purchase for the purpose of trafficking firearms across state lines, you have nothing more to say.
that's nice, but there is still no single law against gun running across state lines. its two seperate laws. this should change.
It doesn't matter. You see the reason most rational people dislike this paradigm you're putting forth is that it's more concerned with irrelevant details than real world applications and effects. I doubt anyone here cares if you think it should be one law or not. In short, who cares. If you straw purchase and attempt to sell it you are breaking the law and will (or should) be punished according to the real world effects of said sell. Sell it to your son and the DA probably won't care. Sell it to a guy that uses it to assassinate a high profile target and you're done.
Congress was never granted any power to criminalize the possession or transportation of arms, nor any other power that would allow them to do so. Thus to enact such a law would be beyond their legal authority.
BATF doesn't even prosecute people who lie on the 4473. According to Joe Biden, they don't have time and resources to go after these people. So if they don't enforce that law, why do you think they will enforce gun running laws? This is our whole argument against those that want to pass new laws..... they need to enforce existing laws before making more laws that will go ignored.
Where do you come up with the BS? Here are the federal laws which make it illegal for a person to sell a firearm to either criminals or across state lines. 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 922(d) It shall be unlawful - for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State..... for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides... (d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26))); (6) who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; ( is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
You were not being agreed with. You were being informed that your argument is without logical basis, and you are without justified reason to continue ignoring facts. The Gun Control Act of Nineteen Sixty Eight prohibits selling firearms out of state by unlicensed individuals, and engaging in straw purchases. There is no legal basis for arguing that both offenses must be combined into a brand new, all encompassing offense that outlaws both acts at the exact same time.
there are many new laws that have been enacted because existing law was found to be not strict enough or didn't have enough weight.
Of course, they might try enforcing those on the books. But wait, the Feds don't do that very well do they?
if the existing laws don't have strong enough punishments, we need new stronger laws. I have to wonder why some folks are soooooooo against the idea of a unitary law that combines the law against gun-running and the law against straw purchases, to create one all-encomparingg law against inter-state gun runners? maybe some folks want such criminals to keep doing their crimes?
