North Carolina Repubs want to create a "state religion"

No, it's simply a statement by the state saying their state religion is Christianity. Is there going to be a Church of North Carolina?

 

They are NOT ALLOWED a state religion. NC must remain secular. There are no such thing as states rights. States must answer to the FEDERAL government which answer to the constitution.

 

Why not? If they can flex their power in such a manner what would stop them from at least trying to take it further? Be a Christian or pay a tax, then lay out the specific criteria to be a Christian. Go to Church at least twice a week, give 10% of your income to doing God's, never use the lords name in vain, don't covet your betters, and hate (*)(*)(*)(*) even if you are one. Otherwise you pay the 20% mandatory sin tax. Seems pretty simple.

Basically everything this country fought a war to stop. Maybe you heard of it. The revolutionary war. It was in all the papers even the kings papers.

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Right and democrats don't want to take all our guns either.

 

Yeah, but one could make the argument that western civilization is based on Judeo-Christian philosophy, morals, and ethics. Up until about 80 years ago. Honestly, how far removed are our laws from Christian beliefs? Not far b/c western civilization is based upon them.

 

Proof please?

 

States had rights they just gave them up without too much of a fight. Oh wait they did try and fight that. Almost forgot the War of Northern aggression to eliminate state rights.

Actually your argument is that the great state of NC ratified the US constitution back in the 1700's, and accepted to follow it as if it were their own.

 

Sorry but states rights do not exist, at least not the way you people think.

 

One would be wrong but one could state such ludicrous nonsense none the less.

 

Well you do have 1 point, states rights got hurt with the 17th Amendment, when we got rid of Senators being appointed by the states to fight for the states against the federal government.

But states rights isnt dead. The 10th Amendment secures them.

 

Engel v. Vitale struck down state sanctioned prayers. Do these people honestly think that a state sanctioned religion could pass?

 

Who is 'you people' and what exactly is the 10th amendment?

 

The 10th amendment says nothing of "rights" only "powers". States are historically bigoted and hateful and thats why they have been rightfully stripped of any "rights" they might have had.

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You people as in the people who think somehow the 10th amendment gives states power over federal government. That would be the articles of confederation which as you know were a complete failure. In todays world the idea of "states" is an outdated concept.

 

So since Constitution explicitly says that congress can't establish/ban religion - does that mean that POTUS can do it? If you think that he can't - show me where it says that in Constitution.

 

American History has failed to reach you. Or perhaps it was probably never really taught.

 

Good point! I can't find it either so it must be constitutional!

 

The legislative branch is the only branch of government that creates law man. Executive can't do it. I am pretty sure THAT IS in the Constitution.

 

Wow b/w you and Serlak I have to ask this:

Are you guys Americans?

It says pretty specific which branch of government can create law and which ones can't. How this has failed to escape you 2 proves how ignorant the average American is to his own form of government.

 

Only for idiots who have become complacent and accept federal tyranny as a right.

10th; The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Powers are it's right, and they are reserved to the state if not delegated by the constitution to be the federal powers/rights. The problem these days if the federal government thinks it delegated its authority over everything, when they are given their power by the constitution and what it says. Of course any over paid lawyer, and the best government corporate money can buy can easily get around that, especially when "you people", you know people like you, who become so complacent, and irresponsibly ignorant.

The state ratified the constitution and they cannot make a law respecting an establishment of religion on free people any more than the federal government can. It is tyranny to assume otherwise.

 

Executive branch can create laws via executive orders.

 

The 14th Amendment extended the same restrictions of the Bill of Rights onto the states.

 

Which laws and beliefs are those?

 

It will never pass...

And, if it did, it wouldn't hold up long...

*shrug*

 

There are (see my previous post) a lot of ways a state can influence things along religious lines, from granting contracts to hiring employees to erecting ever-higher barriers in front of religiously disapproved activities.

Montoya is correct that outlawing abortion is not allowed. But consider Mississippi, where increasingly oppressive restrictions has reduced the number of places abortions are performed in the state to only one. And since THAT one is served by circuit (traveling) doctors, Mississippi recently passed a law requiring that abortion providers must live in the same community as the clinic! The "reason" for this is such a laughable pretext even the Republicans laugh at it. The effect is to close down the last clinic in the state. NOTE that Mississippi never "outlawed" abortion. They just legislated and legislated until it became impossible to provide one. You are perfectly "free" to go to any clinic of your choice. Haw haw haw.

And THAT, folks, is how state religions never actually do anything illegal, but can engineer the identical effect.

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And you talk about others not understanding your government.

Congress can pass BILLS. The executive must sign them into law. The only time Congress can pass a law by itself is to override an executive veto.

 

I agree and only add that this whole bill just seems like a way to jab at the ACLU. These state officials are going to waste a lot of taxpayers money if this does pass and has to be defended.

 

That part about being defended is important. Governments can pass unconstitutional laws all they want, but if they aren't put into practice, they can't be challenged. If the ARE put into practice, they can stay in practice until someone challenges them - and wins.

It's going on 5 years now since Jindal in Louisiana signed a law permitting the teaching of religious creationism in science class. This law is flat out obviously unconstitutional. But so far, nobody has tried to use it.