Numb to mass shootings

Yes!

I mean, no!

 

I don't necessarily disagree with this straw man problem, but in this case, what is reasonable?

What are the options?

 

What compromise do you propose?

Don't we have thousands of gun laws, many as strict or more so than Canada's?

 

What do YOU propose?

 

What's YOUR plan?

 

YOU want change.

What is YOUR plan?

 

Wrong.

 

Yet the mentally ill are far more often victims of violence than perps.

 

Oh please the anti gun side could try suggesting something just once that actually might work. Just because something feels right does not mean it is efficacious.

 

That's because the anti-gunners are not willing to compromise. Every inch given to them is just one step until the next gun control bill. Brady Bill I was said to be common sense gun control, they said this is all they wanted. The ink wasn't dry when it was passed before Brady Bill II was being pushed.

 

There have been guns and mental illness for a long time and other 1st world countries have plenty of guns and must have mental illness too. Nearly all the mass shooters were on some sort of psychotic meds. I'm sure there is also a societal element as well.

 

1) Mandatory sentencing laws for crimes with guns involved.
2) Death penalty cases for murder with guns involved, fast track prosecution of death penalty cases. No more sitting on death row for 20 plus years.
3) prison needs to be hard time, no more amenities like weight rooms etc.
4) certain drug prescriptions need to be a disqualifier for purchasing firearms and driving cars.

Just a few ideas, but California's confiscation law for mental issues didn't stop this guy...

 

There has been only one mass shooting since the 1996 handgun ban.
You don't get to redefine one as several.
The answer to your question is zero.
This is never going to be achievable but the numbers can be reduced as happened in the UK.

 

We already have reasonable gin laws

But liberal cukture is violent and produces more people each generation who are insane

 

What laws would have prevented this last mass shooting?

 

Which is?

 

You don't want change? You don't want gun deaths reduced?

 

Once one gets started on a gun debate it eventually morphs into new laws, confiscation, or some elusive middle ground. None of which has worked or ever will. A hundred new laws and a thousand protests won't change a damn thing. Somebody with a gun or can of gasoline will figure out a way to kill somebody.

Let's back up to the early 1950's. As one poster observed, he could buy a gun from a Montgomery Ward catalog if you were 14. Hand gun too if Mom or Dad approved. There were a number of hardware stores and sporting goods stores that sold guns. These were places of knotty pine, hunting poster with Dad, Son, and Dog in beautiful pastoral hunting scenes. Handguns were available but not popular. If there were mass shootings, they were few and far between.

Going to the present day, gone are the sporting goods stores and hunting posters. They have become arsenals of hundreds of hand guns, assault rifles, shotguns (few) and rifles (also few). The posters a fear oriented. What has changed?

Society. America has become more afraid, more violent, and more armed. The media, the shooter, cable, movies, the politicians, the NRA, and a bunch of others have convinced us to be afraid and load up on ammo. Americans have been sold that dark figures are going to break in and steal their women and chickens. Others visualize invading armies of dark figures and oil their assault rifles. Hollywood and HBO, et.al. don't know how to make a movie without gunfire, explosions, torture and mayhem. They'd figure out how to plant a car chase in the biography of Jesus and a gunfight in Romeo and Juliet. Snow White would feature a car bomb.

So what is the solution? Easy. Make America stop being violent.

 

But you haven't presented a plan yet...

 

Sometimes a gun is the only thing that keeps a woman, or man, safe from harm. Of all the "sources" for fear you cited you forgot "personal experience". We often say that an anti 2A advocate is only one mugging away from being a 2A supporter. We say it, because it's true.

 

Have you presented a plan?

 

I am all for any solution that does not infringe upon the rights of the law abiding.

 

Interesting.
Explain why the perfectly reasonable legislative options in CA did not stop the recent shooting, and describe what reasonable legislative options would have.

 

You see only the gun control side needs a plan to reduce gun deaths

 

In truth I have presented my plan many many times on these threads. But only to people that ALSO have a plan to reduce gun deaths. If only one side has a plan it is easy to attack it and then you have nothing you have to defend as well