Obama Administration's War Against The Second Amendment...Continued...

I realize that the government would have to trust us to comply with the law. They can enforce strict penalties for those that are caught not complying. It works for the IRS.

My hope would be that the gun owning public would get a CHL or FOID card that would provide proof of a background check and maybe some competency training to avoid the FFL hassle and expense legally. My aim is to make the gun buying public wary of buying through illegal channels by providing as many people as possible with a preapproved background check much like the TSA wants to do with travelers to express lane them through airport security. Criminals will skirt the law regardless. I just want to make background checks more convenient while avoiding the possibility of a government data base of firearms.

Our current NICS checks are supposed to be disposed of by the government. Currently, we are trusting them blindly to comply with the law. I prefer the other way around if any trusting is going on. Just look at the NSA and you will see my point.

 

I am on your side with most things...this one however is not a matter of the government trusting us, it's about trusting the government to restrain themselves, a track record proven to be fraught with peril. They would eventually ask/push for a database and I'm not willing to give that inch!
Thanks for the civil conversation though.

 

I've repeatedly shown how and why you are wrong. No database exists now for FFL's. Me calling NICS is no different than an FFL calling NICS.

 

Still waiting for proof that President Obama has taken away guns from anyone.

It is time for right wingers to present evidence rather than repeat the same political propaganda lies over and over again.

 

tell you what, you give us the demographics for those 45,000 brutally and heinously massacred by the republicans and maybe we'll give you our stuff after we make you wait for a year...how 'bout that?

 

see my earlier posts - it may not be what you want to see and it may not be fashionable or politically correct ---- but it's the TRUTH


now where's your proof that Obama has taken away any guns ???

 

Who said anything about Obama has taken guns? He failed to get his signature gun legislation through congress, and it was the biggest failure of his presidency. So no, he was actually unsuccessful at making hundreds of models firearms ileagal that are currently owned by Americans.

 

Ole truthie and I had this discussion, I proved Obama had an agenda with attempting to get legislation passed, which as you pointed out was defeated in a bipartisan effort which fits the OP and now he is back to asking for proof guns were taken away which actually seems like flame baiting. I wouldn't bite. You and I both know Bammy tried and failed. That fits the OP perfectly!

 

thank you for conceding that he hasn't taken any guns, contrary to the delusionalism of so many on the far right

 

thank you for pointing out that Obie is an abject failure. Four times, he and his bed buddies have made a pass at the 2ndA and failed. He has acted through EO's to infringe upon those Rights he cannot abolish by signature. You have made our case for us for he would do so if he could, and you support his dictatorship and any attempt to relieve of us of any Individual Rights he can.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkUG1F2JiI



Blame Obama because of his war on the 2d Amendment - after all, Bush would never do this.

 

I think gun lovers merely need to love their republic as much as they claim to love their guns. The Second Amendment, literally, applies to persons who are a well regulated militia.

 

First of all, our supreme court has ruled on this and they disagree with you.
Second of all, if you keep reading, it says "the right of the people".

 

Yes, the People are the Militia of the United States.

 

I'm not sure what your point was when you said the 2a applies to people who are a well regulated militia, if all the people of the United States are the "militia".

 

Supreme Court called bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on that

 

Not all of the Militia of the United States is well regulated.

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No, they didn't. It is merely your misunderstanding of the issues involves that makes it seem like you don't have a clue or a Cause.

 

the term "regulated" as used in those days meant "armed" and prepared for battle


All the more reason for the Black Panthers to get re-organized and prepared in Ferguson and elsewhere since the 2d Amendment applies to everyone.

 

Provably and indisputably did........twice.

I understand better than you. It's why I won at the highest court and you lost.......twice

 

Wellness of regulation must be prescribed by our federal Congress for the Militia of the United States.

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dude, all you have a non sequiturs; you need a clue and Cause to have a valid argument.

 

I have Supreme Court precedent. You lost.........twice.

 

that isn't what the argument is about. special pleading is just that. Why even write paragraph (2) of DC v Heller, if our Second Amendment creates rights in private property instead of merely establishing collective rights in Body politics such as Militias well regulated and the People? We regulated militias enjoy literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

 

Nope the Supreme Court called bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on this........twice.

 

I'm not sure that is entirely correct. Best for the individual states/counties to determine that for themselves as terrain and geography could be a factor as to how best to measure & determine self protection.

Bringing back the Black Panthers would be one great idea for Ferguson:


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...Stages-Open-Carry-Protest-against-Killer-Cops



They sure make the cops nervous and think things over before trying to hassle anyone.

 

I agree that the NBP has as much right to protest and open carry as anyone else. I'd like to see it happen. It will give exposure to the laws that allow open carry. I'm not convinced that the cop acted wrongly though. When the cop's x-rays come out and show the extent of his skull fractures and maybe eye damage and he is no-billed for the shooting, what happens to the protesters and looters? These groups have already convicted the cop of murder and won't rest until he is lynched physically or legally. At some point, the protesters may have to accept the facts.