Obama birth certificate analysis - full documentary online

You posted a link to a video and asked whether it can be debunked.
I posted links that:
a) debunked it
b) and showed that Mike Zullo was lying.

So the premise for your thread has been addressed, the video has been debunked and all is well.

 

Originally Posted by SFJEFF
Like all Birthers so ready to demand that others prove them wrong- yet always too lazy to look for evidence themselves:

http://www.thefogbow.com/special-rep...ss-conference/
http://www.thefogbow.com/special-rep...ss-conference/
http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewt...7215&start=575


Doc Conspiracy makes a good case here on how Mike Zullo flat out lied:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/...into-a-corner/

I showed in my two articles that the Cold Case Posse used a race code table as the centerpiece of their recent press conference, and the code table they showed was a fake (a different table from another year).

The CCP is making noises like they used the code table from 1968 as a convenience instead of the real code table from 1961 that they claimed it was. This makes no sense. Why would they even have tables from the wrong year if they had the right year, and how, if it is the same, is it more convenient to show a fake rather than the real one? However, it’s worse than that. Not only did they use a fake from 1968, they ALSO used a fake from 1969 later in the video! How is it convenience to get two fake tables from 7 and 8 years in the future instead of using a real one?

In this same video, the CCP claims that the records were coded for the purpose of receiving federal money for the data. Here’s what they said in the video:

It’s now known that these markings indicate a document has been coded for vital statistic recording purposes. Though states were paid only pennies per document by the federal government for their work, the task was well worth the effort as federal funding was and still is tied to population.

That, however, is not true of 1961 (although it is true today). Here is what The 1961 Vital Statistics of the US – Volume 1: Natality (Page 5-3) says about who coded the federal data:

With the exceptions noted in the next paragraph [California, Michigan, Georgia and New York], natality tabulations for 1961 are based on information obtained from microfilm copies of the original certificates. These copies were received from the registration offices of all States, certain cities, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. The statistical information on these records was edited, classified [i.e. coded], placed on punchcards, and tabulated in the National Vital Statistics Division (NVSD).

This is an important point. The Cold Case Posse believed that the State of Hawaii coded the date for federal use, that it was coded based on a federal table, and that the 1968 federal table was the same as the 1961 table. Of course, I proved in my two articles that the 1968 table was not the same as the 1961 table and was not the table used by the federal government for 1961 tabulations.

In fact, I noted back in my March 2012 article on the codes that there were items coded that corresponded to no field in the federal data set, indicating coding by Hawaii for its own use. Further, the federal statistics were based on even-numbered certificates only, and there would have been no reason to code Obama’s odd-numbered form. All the evidence points to the fact that the penciled notations on the 1961 birth certificates were done by the State of Hawaii for their own purposes independently of the federal government, although they certainly could have used federal race codes.


It is clear from the video that the Cold Case Posse did not know this. However, since their faux 1961 code table has been exposed and shown not to be a 1961 federal table, they are claiming that they are uniquely Hawaiian codes, and that they have had a copy of these codes all along, and that they magically match the 1968 federal codes years before the federal codes came out. Discounting the time travel theory altogether, there are further objections to the claim that they have Hawaiian codes:

1.They believed that Hawaii coded the forms to earn federal money. If they had Hawaiian instruction manual, they would have know that the coding was different from the federal coding.
2.The CCP codes don’t match what the State of Hawaii has certified as an accurate birth certificate for Barack Obama.
3.They haven’t produced the code book they claim to have. Rather than publishing the book and ending any question, they let the question fester while changing their story.
I think the Cold Case Posse, and by implication Jerome Corsi have been well and fully caught. They aren’t going to produce the 1961 manual they claim to have because they don’t have it. Instead of “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” it’s going to be “Where’s the 1961 vital statistics instructions?” I have a copy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate, but the Cold Case Posse does not have the 1961 Hawaiian birth data coding manual.

here is the point Cricket- Zullo is lying.

Does it matter to you? Or doesn't it matter just because it is an attack on Obama?

 

let's see, i guess eric holder is out.....
i told you a year and a half ago, turn it over to the smithsonian, it will be there sooner or later anyway (as a pdf). chortle.

if we can go to the moon we can do this. forward, i say.

 

My point has always been clear. Birthers have nothing but lies, speculation and innuendo, and that the only evidence that they will ever accept will be evidence that says Barack Obama is ineligible and an ursurper.

 

Nah- but a copy of it will be in President Obama's Presidential Library in the "Deluded Opponents" section.

 

Actually the Cold Case Posse acknowledged that multiple layers can be created when a document is optimized, but that the types of layers appearing in Obama's Birth certificate aren't consistent with optimization.

 

that's where i go for ideas to bring here. i just returned "dreams from my father" this afternoon. true story.

mine, not ayer's version of obamavich.

 

Not sure about all that - nevertheless the various discrepancies in the PDF document are still a mystery worth investigating.

 

And they have been debunked. Read up!

 

This is an interesting topic, but I am more interested in what is hidden in his college records. did he get scholarships as a foreign student? did he register at columbia as an Indonesian exchange student? Did he register as a muslim?

What is in those records that are so dangerous to him that he has paid lawyers millions to keep out of the public domain?

How did he pay the tuition at 3 very expensive schools? If you listen to his rhetoric about his background, he had no money and lived in tenements. Occidental, Columbia, Harvard----any idea what a year's tuition at those schools is?

 

Ahhhhh, so since we didn't see Reagan's transcripts or Bush's transcripts...................they must have been paying lawyers billions to keep them out of sight. Thanks for clearing that up!

And BTW, how did he pay for his tuition? I vaguely remember, and certainly refresh my memory if it fails me, but didn't Obama say that he just finished off paying for his student LOANS, with LOANS being a very important word here, just a few years ago???? DOH!

 

we did see Bush's and his military records. Clinton showed his college records, so did Gore, McCain, Kerry, Edwards, Gore, and Hillary. Exactly why is obama exempt from vetting?

 

lol, apuzzo, you've outted yourself once again.

 

have you demanded to see romneys records? it is just as likely romney received scholarships as a foreign student, or registered as an indonesian exchange student, or registered as a muslim as it is for obama.

obama paid exactly $0 keeping his college records out of public domain. they are protected by the same privacy laws that keep yours out of public domain.

student loans.

student loans.

 

You posted a link to a video and asked whether it can be debunked.
I posted links that:
a) debunked it
b) and showed that Mike Zullo was lying.

So the premise for your thread has been addressed, the video has been debunked and all is well.

Oh and that the Cold Case Posse is lying.

 

you either have your facts mixed up, or you are intentionally lying, but not a single person you named showed their college records.

 

Really? Care to show me Bush's Harvard records? How about McCain's college records? Hilary's

How about Romneys?

Man birthers will lie about anything.

 

Seriously you never went to college did you?

Hint: You don't register at colleges as a Muslim or Christian or Hindu.

Seriously. And why has Romney hidden his college records- lol.

Public domain? Seriously- stop reading Birther websites- they rot the brain. College records are protected by Federal law- neither Obama or Romney have spent a dime to keep their records private.

Student Loans. Not paid off until he made enough from book sales. Imagine that- student loans- can't get much more nefarious than that.

 

where's smoke there's fire...... i warned you about chicago.

 

There is no mystery- they have been investigated- I provided the links.

And what part of Mike Zullo lying are you not sure about?

Like all Birthers so ready to demand that others prove them wrong- yet always too lazy to look for evidence themselves:

http://www.thefogbow.com/special-rep...ss-conference/
http://www.thefogbow.com/special-rep...ss-conference/
http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewt...7215&start=575


Doc Conspiracy makes a good case here on how Mike Zullo flat out lied:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/...into-a-corner/

I showed in my two articles that the Cold Case Posse used a race code table as the centerpiece of their recent press conference, and the code table they showed was a fake (a different table from another year).

The CCP is making noises like they used the code table from 1968 as a convenience instead of the real code table from 1961 that they claimed it was. This makes no sense. Why would they even have tables from the wrong year if they had the right year, and how, if it is the same, is it more convenient to show a fake rather than the real one? However, it’s worse than that. Not only did they use a fake from 1968, they ALSO used a fake from 1969 later in the video! How is it convenience to get two fake tables from 7 and 8 years in the future instead of using a real one?

In this same video, the CCP claims that the records were coded for the purpose of receiving federal money for the data. Here’s what they said in the video:

It’s now known that these markings indicate a document has been coded for vital statistic recording purposes. Though states were paid only pennies per document by the federal government for their work, the task was well worth the effort as federal funding was and still is tied to population.

That, however, is not true of 1961 (although it is true today). Here is what The 1961 Vital Statistics of the US – Volume 1: Natality (Page 5-3) says about who coded the federal data:

With the exceptions noted in the next paragraph [California, Michigan, Georgia and New York], natality tabulations for 1961 are based on information obtained from microfilm copies of the original certificates. These copies were received from the registration offices of all States, certain cities, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. The statistical information on these records was edited, classified [i.e. coded], placed on punchcards, and tabulated in the National Vital Statistics Division (NVSD).

This is an important point. The Cold Case Posse believed that the State of Hawaii coded the date for federal use, that it was coded based on a federal table, and that the 1968 federal table was the same as the 1961 table. Of course, I proved in my two articles that the 1968 table was not the same as the 1961 table and was not the table used by the federal government for 1961 tabulations.

In fact, I noted back in my March 2012 article on the codes that there were items coded that corresponded to no field in the federal data set, indicating coding by Hawaii for its own use. Further, the federal statistics were based on even-numbered certificates only, and there would have been no reason to code Obama’s odd-numbered form. All the evidence points to the fact that the penciled notations on the 1961 birth certificates were done by the State of Hawaii for their own purposes independently of the federal government, although they certainly could have used federal race codes.


It is clear from the video that the Cold Case Posse did not know this. However, since their faux 1961 code table has been exposed and shown not to be a 1961 federal table, they are claiming that they are uniquely Hawaiian codes, and that they have had a copy of these codes all along, and that they magically match the 1968 federal codes years before the federal codes came out. Discounting the time travel theory altogether, there are further objections to the claim that they have Hawaiian codes:

1.They believed that Hawaii coded the forms to earn federal money. If they had Hawaiian instruction manual, they would have know that the coding was different from the federal coding.
2.The CCP codes don’t match what the State of Hawaii has certified as an accurate birth certificate for Barack Obama.
3.They haven’t produced the code book they claim to have. Rather than publishing the book and ending any question, they let the question fester while changing their story.
I think the Cold Case Posse, and by implication Jerome Corsi have been well and fully caught. They aren’t going to produce the 1961 manual they claim to have because they don’t have it. Instead of “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” it’s going to be “Where’s the 1961 vital statistics instructions?” I have a copy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate, but the Cold Case Posse does not have the 1961 Hawaiian birth data coding manual.



here is the point Cricket- Zullo is lying.

Does it matter to you? Or doesn't it matter just because it is an attack on Obama?

 

So you actually agree with that idiot Harry Reid and think that Romney must be concealing some tax issues?

 

lol Birthers.

 

this is what I have asked you three times now:

So I am curious, Cricket.....

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly and consistantly stated- officially- that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and that they have his original birth certificate. They have even confirmed that to the State of Arizona, who has accepted their confirmation.

You ask us to consider these video's- they are analysis of images from the internet that the author's claim to have analized.

Can you provide any scenario that seems rational to you that would account for:
a) Hawaii saying for the last 4 years that Obama was born there and that they have his original birth certificate on file and
b) Obama's birth certificate being a Photo-shopped fake?

 

you're not good at ridicule jeff, like wong was.
but it's just as unbecoming.

 

i agree with you that hairy reed is an idiot.