Yea, I know, how dare people want a president that is a natural born citizen like the law requires. I guess with ilk like Clinton in your past, your president following the law might seem a little strange to you.
I dont care if Obama is God he should be held to the letter of the law (even though I do not obey some of them myself, because they conflict with gods law). If he has lied he should be Jailed or endure the punishment that you or I would receive. reva dabba dew
Clearly, everything that Obama has put out so far is sheer BS. What boggles me are those who buy it anyway and who persist in buying it in spite of all the evidence and suspicion to the contrary.
Hawaiis laws at the time allowed for papers to be filed requesting Hawaiian birth status for those not born in a Hospital such as a home birth or registered by official means. When the request was granted, it became an official birth record and was picked up by the newspapers who published it as a new birth. All one had to do was to lie on the affadavit, and Voila!...all the bennies of American status. It is one wonder that Obama won't open his vault birth records. But greater is the fact he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a law firm tasked with keeping his birth records sealed.
Janice Okubo evidently believed otherwise; but if you have evidence that she was lying, or that she was misrepresented by USA Today, I'm all ears. That would be neat trick, seeing under the applicable HI statutes, the Governor has no more right to examine the original without a court order than does Orly Taitz. Nothing in the Constitution says any such thing. If SCOTUS ever presumed to define NBC's, it wasn't in Minor.
The short simple answer is don't listen to your friends. In 2008 Senator Obama showed voters a copy of his Hawaiian issued birth certificate- which was later confirmed by the Republican governor and Republican Director of Health(who was in charge of Birth Certificates) In 2011, Trump started acting more idiotic than usual and claimed Obama had no birth certificate- so President Obama made a special request to the State of Hawaii to issue a certified copy of his original birth certificate, which they did(the State of Hawaii appears to be very tired of answering the same questions over and over). President Obama showed the two certified copies of his Birth Certificates to reporters and later posted a copy online. One of the reporters took a photo with her phone of the BC. The State of Hawaii subsequently confirmed that the copy posted online is a copy of Obama's BC. I don't know nothing about layers- I just scan a document. I have seen people much smarter than myself argue this with Birthers, but frankly I don't care. Why? Because reporters have seen the original certified copy. We have seen a photo of the same one posted online. The State of Hawaii confirmed it is accurate and that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. So why should I care about layers?
Except that isn't true. Not at all. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/the-african-race/ Race on a birth certificate doesnt come from a hospital worker looking at the father and writing down the fathers race; it is determined by asking the father what he considers his race to be. This is the instruction for filling out a birth certificate from the National Center for Health Statistics: 25. FATHERS RACE (Check one or more races to indicate what the father considers himself to be) ▢ White ▢ Black or African American ▢ American Indian or Alaska Native (Name of the enrolled or principal tribe)________________ ▢ Asian Indian ▢ Chinese ▢ Filipino ▢ Japanese ▢ Korean ▢ Vietnamese ▢ Other Asian (Specify)______________________________ ▢ Native Hawaiian ▢ Guamanian or Chamorro ▢ Samoan ▢ Other Pacific Islander (Specify)______________________ ▢ Other (Specify)___________________________________ So clearly the question is not how Americans described Africans, but how Africans described Africans in 1961, which brings us to the featured Kwame Nkruma. Nkruma was an influential 20th century advocate of Pan-Africanism, and the leader of Ghana and its predecessor state, the Gold Coast, from 1952 to 1966. In his in his 1961 book, I Speak of Freedom, he wrote: I believe strongly and sincerely that with the deep-rooted wisdom and dignity, the innate respect for human lives, the intense humanity that is our heritage, the African race, united under one federal government, will emerge not as just another world bloc to flaunt its wealth and strength, but as a Great Power whose greatness is indestructible because it is built not on fear, envy and suspicion, nor won at the expense of others, but founded on hope, trust, friendship and directed to the good of all mankind. Africans had been speaking of the African race since at least the 19th century. African nationalist John Chilembwe of Nyassaland said: to unite together in the name of Jesus Christ such persons as desire to see full justice done to the African race and are resolved to work towards the day when African people shall become an African Christian nation to pursue steadily and unswervingly the policy of Africa for Africans! also An industrious proponent of the African objection has dug up a volume, Vital Statistics of the United States 1961 that talks about the classification. I first referenced that document last year in my article: Obama Birth Certificate Number proves its a fake busted. The document contains this interesting statement: Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and other nonwhite. For vital statistics purposes, the races of infants were classified into one of those categories. However, this statement is about births not parents. For parents, as we have seen above, race is self-declared and open-ended. Now take a look at the famous Alan hospital birth certificate and tell me what race Alan was. WOW! Its not on the form! The hospital didnt report the race of the child, only that of the father and mother. This is because the childs race was not self reported, it was classified later. In the case of Barack Obama, the clerk would have looked at the fathers race: African and the mothers race: Caucasian and written down (by the rules of 1961) Negro on the tally sheet. Update 2: The preceding statement that a clerk would have selected Negro is not correct. For someone born outside the United States, the term African does not necessarily mean the person is black. There are white, Arab and Asian persons living in Africa. Most likely, Obamas fathers race would have gone down as unknown. The key point is the classification scheme for infant race is unrelated to the self-reporting of race by the infants parents. In 1961 Kenya itself, the suggested racial categories for its census were: African Arab Somali European The bottom line is that parents indicated what 'race' they wanted to declare on the birth certificate. "African" would have been a legitimate description by someone from Africa.
Think about the phrase, "natural born american" in the light of national fidelity. The notion that a wayward American teen who gives birth to a fatherless child in another country has fulfilled the fidelity spirit and letter of the law is an absurdity in the center ring circus of drunkards and fools. And if you knew jack, you'd know the newpapers printed granted requests for birth status as if they were indeed newly born babies. Hawaii had only recently become a State and their governance wasn't exactly standardized with America.
LOL....are you speaking of his Kenyan step-grandmother? The one who said that she was in Kenya when Obama was born- and that Obama was born in Hawaii? Go listen to the original tape- not the carefully edited one by the American minister who kept trying to put words in her mouth. What all of Obama's relatives have consistently said is that he was born in America.
Is this the edited one? Because it clearly states he was born in Kenya. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo Or this one, where the Kenyan ambassador says he was born in Kenya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14
I am a liberal- I never took a stand one way or the other about Zimmerman- and I can't figure out how anyone but a Birther would equate the two. LOL- funny stuff from a Birther. Birthers never cared about the eligibility of a single President prior to the one whose father was from Africa. And suddenly they 'cared' Biggest hypocrites EVER "According to Article 2, Section 1 of the constitution, in order to be a natural born citizen, BOTH parents must be citizens at the time of the childs birth." That of course is a bald faced lie- or just sheer Birther gullibility- the Constitution doesn't say any such thing. The Constitution says that the President must be a Natural Born Citizen- and doesn't define NBC. But we have all known- we all learned growing up- that anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen(except children of diplomats). I learned that from my very conservative middle school civics teacher. Birthers just invented a new definition because you can't stand that voters chose Barack Obama- twice now. Hypocrites. - - - Updated - - - I think "Clearly" doesn't mean what you think it means. "Clearly" doesn't mean in only the minds of Conspiracy theorists.
Yep- just like many other states- Eisenhower was born at home- his birth certificate was issued 60 years later- no one had an issue with that. However, Obama was born in a hospital- and signed by a doctor. So that theory is just more Birther BS. Of course that is sheer Birther speculation- which is rather redundant since Birthers deal in speculation, innuendo and lies. Of course in the real world, Eisenhower was the one whose BC was issued based upon the affadavit of his brother- who was 2 years old when he was born- and Obama's birth was in a hospital with a doctor- and registered accordingly. And of course that whole 'hundreds of thousands of dollars thing' is just another Birther lie. Everyone's Hawaiian birth certificate is protected by the same laws. Obama didn't spend a dime on the issue.
The Congressional Research Service disagrees with you. http://www.scribd.com/doc/74176180/...ral-Born”-Citizenship-Eligibility-Requirement The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen wouldmean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born“in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being bornabroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S.citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen Ankeny v. Daniels, Indiana Court of Appeals (2009) Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Allen v. Obama, Arizona (2012) Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) (200 Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats. December 11, 2008 letter to constituent Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT) What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen. Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004 All those folks are the ones you call drunkards and fools. Along with the entire Congress, Chief Justice Roberts who of course swore Obama in three times- and the American voters. We all know who a Natural Born Citizen is. I just wonder what year you decided on your definition of a natural born citizen.
You can cling to whatever gossamer threads sustain your pipe dreams. Americans have left your sort to your petty self-indulgent conceits. Your "wayward" notions are quite amusing, actually.
Are you responding to me? There is a quote function. I assume you are referring to Obama's step-grandmother? http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf A Full and Complete Transcription of a Phone Call between Ron McRae and Sarah Onyango Obama of Kenya on Oct. 16, 2008, which has been wrongly alleged to contain a statement by Barack Obama Jr.'s grandmother that Barack Obama Jr. was born in Kenya with notes, analysis, and commentary TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes. MCRAE: Uh, could I ask her, uh, could I ask her about his, uh, his, his, his actual birthplace. I would like to see his birthplace when I, when I come to Kenya in December. Uh, was she, was she, was she present when he was-- VOICE (in background): It is here.20 MCRAE: Was she present when he was born in Kenya? BROTHER TOM: I think, uh, uh I think-- VOICE (in background): (unintelligible) BROTHER TOM (in background): He is asking her that, uh, he wants to know something that uh, was uh you, was they, was she present when, ah, he was born. Were they they there then? (Male voice in foreign language in background.) TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes, they say that yes she was.22 She was present when Obama was born.23 (McRae catches breath) MCRAE: OK.24 Uh, when I come in December I would like to go by the, the place, the hospital where he is born. Uh, could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa? (Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background: "naah?")25 BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help.26 I think, uh I think, I kind of, you know we'll be coming December (unintelligible27) and Vitalis, and I talking to him, so I tell him--28 TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): --no, no-- what?!? BROTHER TOM: --that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you were a little, a little, a little American bus-- TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding distressed): No--yes-- TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in Mombasa! He was born in America! MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya. TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa. MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born? TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh? MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born. (two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.) VOICE (background): It was Hawaii. VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.29 BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah? VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah. TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes. TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. MCRAE: OK. TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii. MCRAE: OK. TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah. TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what--you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.30 Or the one where he said that he was confused by the DJ's....
And people such as your self crack me up. You haven't the foggiest idea what your talking about and refuse to look into anything if it disagrees with you. We use to have a name for such people and it was called "ostrich". So, if and when you can pull your head out of the sand and delve into a subject, come on back.
O.K., let's play the look up game; http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-literary-agent-obama-born-in-kenya/#! Here Obama says himself that he was born in Kenya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLGItF-Y8Uc Here Michelle Obama calls Kenya Obama's home country. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/blogs/message.aspx/3074 Tishrei 13, 5769, 10/12/2008 Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes. by Tamar Yonah Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (see video below) who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama. http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/107524/ WorldNetDaily Exclusive Did Obama's grandmother say he was born in Kenya? Listen to audio! Witnesses contend interpreter tried to change her answer to 'Hawaii' Published: 08/24/2009 at 9:16 PM author-image Jerome R. Corsi The source who knows the grandmother declared: I have keenly and attentively listened to the tape over and over again, and I can confirm from Sarahs own confession that Barack Obama was born in Kenya in her presence. The source said that while Sarah Obama voice is hard to hear on the recording, she admits of actually having been there at his birth. He said that while the people in the room with Sarah Obama tried as much as they [could] to change the tone of the whole story to me it seems someone is coaching her from the background and seemingly trying to guide her on what to say. The Kenyan government source agreed. I have listened to the tape, he said. The preacher asked whether Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, and the translator asked the same. When she said Mombasa, it was like a surprise, and those there thought she could not have meant to say Mombasa. The source said that at that point they began insisting Hawaii was where Barack Obama was born. Sarah Obama can be heard uttering Mombasa in response to McRaes question about where Obama was born http://www.wnd.com/2008/10/78931/ Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth 'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months' Published: 10/23/2008 at 11:33 PM The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship and therefore qualification to run for president has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senators paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya. The issue of Obamas birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his Certification of Live Birth from Hawaii. But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
I have NO doubt that's true today, but show me the same thing for 1961!!! - - - Updated - - - Once more; O.K., let's play the look up game; http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-literary-agent-obama-born-in-kenya/#! Here Obama says himself that he was born in Kenya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLGItF-Y8Uc Here Michelle Obama calls Kenya Obama's home country. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/blogs/message.aspx/3074 Tishrei 13, 5769, 10/12/2008 Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes. by Tamar Yonah Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (see video below) who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama. http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/107524/ WorldNetDaily Exclusive Did Obama's grandmother say he was born in Kenya? Listen to audio! Witnesses contend interpreter tried to change her answer to 'Hawaii' Published: 08/24/2009 at 9:16 PM author-image Jerome R. Corsi The source who knows the grandmother declared: I have keenly and attentively listened to the tape over and over again, and I can confirm from Sarahs own confession that Barack Obama was born in Kenya in her presence. The source said that while Sarah Obama voice is hard to hear on the recording, she admits of actually having been there at his birth. He said that while the people in the room with Sarah Obama tried as much as they [could] to change the tone of the whole story to me it seems someone is coaching her from the background and seemingly trying to guide her on what to say. The Kenyan government source agreed. I have listened to the tape, he said. The preacher asked whether Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, and the translator asked the same. When she said Mombasa, it was like a surprise, and those there thought she could not have meant to say Mombasa. The source said that at that point they began insisting Hawaii was where Barack Obama was born. Sarah Obama can be heard uttering Mombasa in response to McRaes question about where Obama was born http://www.wnd.com/2008/10/78931/ Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth 'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months' Published: 10/23/2008 at 11:33 PM The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship and therefore qualification to run for president has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senators paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya. The issue of Obamas birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his Certification of Live Birth from Hawaii. But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
Have you always Had this opinion Or does a certain Canadian have anything to do with your Opinion now
Sigh- so mired in Birtherdom. Birth Certificates used a multitude of terms in 1961 for parents- so your claim that only Negro, Caucasian or Mongoloid would be used is patently false http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/the-african-race-the-final-chapter/ According to the actual federal coding manual for vital statistics in 1961, they were expecting to receive answers such as “Afro-American” and national groups such as “Mongolian.” If the racial entry is ... "Afro-American" ... If the racial entry is "Yellow," "Oriental," or "Mongolian" ... In fact, other Hawaiian birth certificates from 1961 make it clear how open-ended the race response was: Race of Mother: Hawaiian Fil Port Sp There was never a prescribed list of choices for race. Race is whatever the parents said they were and in 1961 black Kenyans called themselves “African” as evidenced by the 1962 Kenya Census forms. Race. -- Write Eurpoean, Arab, Somali or African, etc. Asians must write Indian or Pakistan. Birthers speak with great confidence about things they know nothing about, and in the case of Mr. Madsen, just make stuff up. What we do know is that the State of Hawaii has consistently confirmed that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Birthers have made up the claim you make- that African would never be used- but that is pure Birther speculation- speculation based on wishful thinking.
You should take a look at my post history and you get an internet cookie if you can guess whether or not I am a Cruz supporter. It is also not even an argument because Cruz doesn't have to be a natural born citizen to be a Senator. Only the President has to be a natural born citizen.
Cruz was never a natural born citizen and I am not sure why he even came up since no one is taking him seriously has a Presidential candidate. You MUST be a natural born citizen to be the President and unless I missed something Cruz was born to Canadian parents in Canada, I will have to google his bio as I have not researched him frankly at all. Edit: I stand corrected Cruz mom was US citizen. It would depend entirely one which country he chose to be a citizen of when he turned 24 then. If he picked the US then he is by all definitions a natural born American and if he chose Canada then he is not a natural born American. You only need one parent which is stupid and frankly should be changed to something like what Germany has where both parents must be citizens for a child born overseas to automatically be an Amercian otherwise they are citizens of the other country or dual citizenship until the child picks which country they want to be a full citizen of. America is one of the only countries that allows a child to be a citizen regardless of where the parents came from just by being born inside the borders. The rest of the world figured out that was a stupid idea a long time ago and the initial reason for it was for the children of slaves brought over to be citizens so that Southern states were forced to recognize them. That reason is no longer relevant anymore and the law should match what pretty much every other country on the earth does.
Hmmm youtube, WND, Western Journalism- what fine sources you use.......but of course reject what the State of Hawaii says- or actual newspapers. Obama has never said he was born in Kenya- that is a Youtube fake. Michelle Obama did call Kenya Obama's home country but of course never said he was born there- because then she would have been lying. Sarah Obama- Obama's step-grandmother has consistently told everyone that Obama was not born in Kenya http://www.salon.com/2012/06/22/barack_obama_wasnt_born_in_kenya/ I said, “Some people want to believe that the president was born in Kenya. Have these people ever bothered you or asked for his birth certificate?” Mrs. Obama looked concerned, started to protest. But it turned out it was because the rabbits, post-coitus, had started to run away via a security guard’s carelessly ajar gate. I repeated my question and it was translated. Mrs. Obama wrinkled up her face. Then the interpreter jumped in: “She says, ‘But Barack Obama wasn’t born in Kenya.’” That should settle it. Someone is lying- actually several someone's- all Birthers- or con-men fleecing Birthers, and that includes Berg and WND.
