Obama Social Security Number To Become Issue In 2012 Race

See what I mean- they just start with argument #1 and then cycle through.

Of course by any rational persons standard, Obama has shown two legal Hawaiian birth certificates to the voters. The State of Hawaii confirmed this.

At this point, Birthers move to claim #2...

 

LoL JEFF, any rational persons" and "average Obama voter" has not'n in common

 

I am not surprised that a Birther would think that the only explanation of how Obama got elected is that the majority of voters must not be rational.

The rational adults have prevailed, and only the irrational continue with their agenda of pretending concern about eligibility.

 

I do . . .

 

ditto!
He hasn't.
He displayed a digital image that was immediately debunked as a forgery.

 

Or for actual information from a real source:

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf

Frequently Asked Questions about Vital Records of President Barack Hussein Obama II

On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

Continue to hold onto your faith of some huge conspiracy theory, but for the rest of America, Hawaii has answered any questions they had.

 

Once again Jolly shows he is unable to:
a) refute the evidence that shows that Barack Obama was indeed born in the United States and
b) unable to provide any evidence to support his claim
c) follow a logical train of thought

Just another example of a Birther relying upon innuendo, speculation...

 

Seems as some ineptocrats have added another thing they are unable to read - the topic of this thread for example. What does the SS# have to do with a BC? All BC arguements are irrelevant on this topic. Now watch and see how those 2 bedfellows try to bring it back in. And I don't see where the term birther applies to a believer in the rule of law when it comes to fraudulent SS#.
Oh by the way here is testimony from another supporter of the usurper posted on another blog site. Her employment experience makes her an expert witness on the topic she is commenting on: carolyn Johnson said...[Reply]
I worked for Social Security for 33 years. My first job in Downtown Baltimore on Paca St. was to issue social security numbers. Where ever the person applies for the number is how the number is assigned. I spent a couple of weeks during the summers in NC with grandparents and that is where I applied for my first SS card; I have a NC number. Never a resident. You people need to check stuff out and get over it He is president.Hmmmm SS# ISSUED in the State where they are applied for. Ineptocrats please tell us when Obama the usurper was ever in Conneticutt. But those 2 bedfellows will just respond "it ain't true" - we said so.
Maybe they can just make Carolyn Johnson disappear.
"A person who does not want to seek truth is enslaved to their own ignorance" - RS
It really really really sucks to be an ineptocrat*

 

Here is what it is like trying to have a discussion with Jolly

Originally Posted by jollyroger88805
Eisenhower even after a long and brilliant military career KNEW he needed his BC in order to show he qualified to be President. He went and got it and registered it in his county of birth with the county clerk to prove he was eligible. When it came to the Constitution he was a much smarter man than Obama. .
Followed by:
So Jeff please start refuting with facts and not opinions because your opinions make no sense whatsoever.
It really really really sucks to be an ineptocrat.

And since he challenged me to refute the false facts he had claimed- I did exactly that:

After having all of his erronious claims about Eisenhower debunked, he disappeared for a couple days before coming back to spread misinformation about the SS#.

This is what Birthers are all about.

Speculation, innuendo....and you know the rest...

 

Of course Jolly completely ignores being shown what the Social Security actually says on the matter. He gets his info from Birther blogs

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Originally Posted by jollyroger88805
Then why can you go on line and there will be list after list and site after site that shows what state has what first 3 digits to Social Security number.

Because SSNs were at one time assigned based on the zip code from which the application was mailed. But it has never been based on where you were born or where you lived.


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Originally Posted by jollyroger88805
And why when a person applies for a job the Social Security check list shows what state the card was issued?

The "Social Security checklist?" Now you are just making stuff up. There is no such thing.


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Originally Posted by jollyroger88805
You are making up things that just are not true. And when you do this you lose all credibilty.

Then don't take my word on it. Go see what the SSA say themselves:


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Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office.Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers.

Note: One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.

So... you want to keep talking about who here has credibility and who does not?
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If you really think a law has been violated, I encourage you and any other Birther to file a complaint with the SSA and the FBI.

The closest to this so far was Wash saying he was going to write to his congressman about it- rather missing the point.

 

A COLB is not a birth certificate and is not acceptable evidence of citizenship even in Hawaii much less the rest of the nation. Largely due to the ambiguous policies of Hawaii regarding citizenship dating back to I believe 1912 and running through 1972.

This is one of the "authorities you cite as indesputable".
There is also an affadavit legally asserting criminal activity regarding Obama's legitimacy.
Sure, you'll say this is just an Obama-hater, but why would they risk incarceration and why are they not incarcerated?

Obama has never released or authorized the release of his birth certificate.
You'll say false - which is why it's stupid and I know as I write this it is stupid to offer arguments against knee jerk Obama apologists but what can I say, sometimes I get frustrated and do foolish things. That said, it is true, he allowed a digitized image to be displayed which was immediately identified as a forgery.

Get a life, get a clue - your guy is a third world thug who has dragged this country through the mud - which is likely why most of Washington is mum about this.

Yea, yea I know.
Anything that is contrary to your Obama propoganda is false or stated by liars or haters or frauds.

blah-blah-blah

The Truth will Out.

 

This is what happens when you get all of your information from Birther blogs

Well two problems(really three) with your statement. First of all, a Certification of Live Birth is the legal copy of birth certificates issued by Hawaii. Rahl has already provided a citation- but you knew this already, didn't you?

And Barack Obama hasn't just shown his COLB- that argument is so pre-April 2011. He has shown voters a copy of original birth certificate, certified by the State of Hawaii.

Finally....what ambigous policies of Hawaii regarding citizenship since 1912- the statement doesn't even make any since, because Hawaii has only been a state since what- 1958?

You know what is funny- 3 years of Birthers claiming that Hawaii would issue a Birth certificate to anyone, and they haven't yet produced one example of Birth certificate fraud in Hawaii.

One more example of Birthers unable to prove anything they claim.

Hawaii is the authority when it comes to Birth certificates from Hawaii. And they say that Barack Obama was born there.

Because the 'affidavit' is meaningless? And what he claims he can't even prove- since all he claims is that someone told him something? Unlike the State of Hawaii which has clearly stated, officially- and yes these officials would actually be risking incarceration- 3 of them at a minimum- for committing fraud. But you are willing to believe they all risked incarceration...hilarious.

Except of course, once again the facts show what you say is demonstrably false. I would show you again, but anyone who cares can just google "Department of Health Hawaii Obama" and see where Hawaii clearly explains how President Obama asked for a certified copy of his original birth certificate- even though the COLB is what is normally issued- and Hawaii issued one for him, and that he published that certified birth certificate.

You can call the State of Hawaii all liars, but you can't deny that is what they have stated. Well you can...but of course it would be a total lie.

I am sure Hawaii appreciates you calling it the 'third world'.


Yea, yea I know.
Anything that is contrary to your Obama propoganda is false or stated by liars or haters or frauds.

Not absolutely everything. Everything from Birthers is. The rest of the stuff is probably only 80% stated by liars or haters or fraud.

I would say that you can't handle the Truth, but frankly, I don't think you would know it if it slapped you in the face.

 

You are insulting and willfully ignorant - some people call that stupid.
You are not interested in debate, you are interested in insulting people.

Go play in the mud with others.

 

unfortunately this is the mud. since the mods on the board have to keep the subject hidden from the public, this sub miscellaneous obscure part of the board is the corner of the lot we have to school these zeros. but you are right, they are mostly here to excoriate and obfuscate. it's why very few new people come here to ask questions or offer comments. they are the gargoyles (Gargouille) that guard the white castle. i noodle with these obots to keep it fresh in google, i stopped taking them seriously when they said it was a dead issue.... half a year ago. it's fun to insult them and they enjoy it. if they get it.

they think they have won by attrition by keeping it off the board. what the press is to the democrat party. takes us longer that's all.

 

notice how both jeff and myself proved you wrong using the state of hawaii's official govn't website, and you just completely ignore that fact, and call us willfully ignorant.

try and save a little dignity, and admit you were wrong.

 

A COLB is by definition and law a birth certificate, and Hawaii's perfectly meets the State Department standards for proof of citizenship at birth.

Hawaiian "policies" regarding vital records have never been and currently are not significantly different than those of any of the other 50 states.

Anybody can write an affidavit.

What would cause you to hallucinate that an "affidavit" puts anybody at risk for incarceration?

He circulated the signed and certified birth certificate at the April press conference. The State of Hawaii has declared it authentic. It was seen, touched and reported on by journalists in attendance. To imagine that you personallywould ever get to see anything other than an image is delusional.

And not a single assertion of "forgery" is credible. In every case, such claims are demonstrations of the amateurish incompetence of the accuser.

It already has.

 

SS numbers have never been assigned based on where a person was born or where they lived.

Here's what the SSA has to say about it:

 

Got to love it.

I slapped you in the face with rebutals to everything you claimed, and this is your answer? Best I can do is post the truth again and you can ignore the truth again and just post Birther propaganda again

Well two problems(really three) with your statement. First of all, a Certification of Live Birth is the legal copy of birth certificates issued by Hawaii. Rahl has already provided a citation- but you knew this already, didn't you?

And Barack Obama hasn't just shown his COLB- that argument is so pre-April 2011. He has shown voters a copy of original birth certificate, certified by the State of Hawaii.

Finally....what ambigous policies of Hawaii regarding citizenship since 1912- the statement doesn't even make any since, because Hawaii has only been a state since what- 1958?

You know what is funny- 3 years of Birthers claiming that Hawaii would issue a Birth certificate to anyone, and they haven't yet produced one example of Birth certificate fraud in Hawaii.

One more example of Birthers unable to prove anything they claim.



Hawaii is the authority when it comes to Birth certificates from Hawaii. And they say that Barack Obama was born there.



Because the 'affidavit' is meaningless? And what he claims he can't even prove- since all he claims is that someone told him something? Unlike the State of Hawaii which has clearly stated, officially- and yes these officials would actually be risking incarceration- 3 of them at a minimum- for committing fraud. But you are willing to believe they all risked incarceration...hilarious.



Except of course, once again the facts show what you say is demonstrably false. I would show you again, but anyone who cares can just google "Department of Health Hawaii Obama" and see where Hawaii clearly explains how President Obama asked for a certified copy of his original birth certificate- even though the COLB is what is normally issued- and Hawaii issued one for him, and that he published that certified birth certificate.

You can call the State of Hawaii all liars, but you can't deny that is what they have stated. Well you can...but of course it would be a total lie.




I am sure Hawaii appreciates you calling it the 'third world'.


Yea, yea I know.
Anything that is contrary to your Obama propoganda is false or stated by liars or haters or frauds.

Not absolutely everything. Everything from Birthers is. The rest of the stuff is probably only 80% stated by liars or haters or fraud.



I would say that you can't handle the Truth, but frankly, I don't think you would know it if it slapped you in the face.

And you proved me correct again.

 

obama was an ice cream jerk in hawaii, that's why he mailed his ss application in connecticut, pretty likely.

 

it's just like "natural born citizen" and citizen, same thing... interchangeable.

could you write an affidavit frank ??