Obama's Australian visit

I don't agree with you very often.

Have a biscuit.

 

FAIL. I can answer the question but chose not to, but you stated you didnt understand. They are different things. No wonder you support the ALP, even your logic is bent.

 

The fact you can't answer a simple question, means you opinion is worthless IMO

I don't support the ALP, even your assumptions are bent.

 

Dude, are you a bot? If your not going to read then why bother posting.

 

If you're going to make stupid statements you cant explain - then why bother posting.

You wrote:

Why do disrespect the dead by ascribing "beliefs" to them when they were simply doing a job?

Who and for what do you think they are they fighting for?

 

LOL, your the only one posting like a child. Repeating the same sentence in a manner to represent a child putting their hands over their ears to pretend they dont want to hear what the other person is saying and instead repeating themselves. I also like how you repeat what Im saying but change a few words, again like a 5 year old, not realizing what your resultant post says is garbage...like;

Originally Posted by axialturban
I get it if you dont get it, but try not to disrespect the dead for sacrificing their lives for something they believed in - it just makes you look pathetic.

Then Posted by bugalugs
I get it if you dont get it, but try not to disrespect the dead by ascribing "beliefs" to them when they were simply doing a job - it just makes you look pathetic.

LOL

Your posting like a fish flapping around in the bottom of a tinnie bugalugs... seriously. You need to learn to lose with more tact and aplomb. You'll note I didnt ascribe any beliefs to anyone, merely that they had beliefs. I think your inventing a stuff out of thin air because your position is weak and dead in the water - but thats what happens when ppl post rubbish like you did.

Why don't you ask them, oh yea they are dead, which is the point and what started this is you being moronic to label their reasons, actions and results as being in vain - because you cannot know. The best you can pull out of your butt is to point out people dont know as some gutless defence for taking cheap shots. Their is lots of names for people who take cheap shots at dead people like that...

 

Look, I am not sure how this come to be the center of the debate (not that is not a legitimate debate), For me it is simple, do not condemn the soldiers for doing their Job. Sure many may consider it purposeless, and they would have that right. BUT even if it would seem they are not fighting for the reasons they where sent, they are fighting in attempt to achieve those goals even though they, themselves, may not agree. The are setting aside their own thoughts and feelings to do the job they where sent for.

Is the job in vain? Maybe. Do they die in vain? NO. It is not in vain to do your job, even if the job itself is useless. Don't get me wrong, they are trained to do this. They do not have the accommodation to act on their own feelings, but they do have them.

No, support the troops, if you do not agree with the job they are sent to do, then you should condemn the people who sent them.

 

I started this thread for several reasons.

One was to discuss the visit itself and the political ramifications for Australia and the region. It is obvious, most of the people here, so far, would rather look to the past to simply ridicule the US. Many do not seem to consider or have any ability to look no further than next month politically. this is very disappointing to say the least.

The second reason was that with such a busy time in Australia with the visit of the Queen, Obama and now the crown prince and princess of Denmark. It is strange that NOBODY would even rate some of these things as a mention in Australia.

Does that mean that most Australians have no idea how politics actually work? ARE Australians all really sheep like? Do they know only what they are told to believe? How can Australia progress if they do not understand the significants of such events? How can they call themselves progressive? It is said the leaders are only as good as the people they lead, should that mean that a majority of Australians are as inept and futile as their government?

I do not do not think any of my questions are actually correct. Is it, that Australians have made a mistake and are just riding these things out? or is it they do not know how to rectify the situation?

Just a thought

 

A lot don't. Many people thought that when Julia took over from Rudd without an election that it must be illegal and unconstitutional because they think that when they put a '1' in the box next to Joe Blogg ALP that it was actually a vote for Rudd for PM.

A lot of people though are well versed in politics.

 

Maybe its just that Spring's a nice time of the year to visit.

 

No - ascribing beliefs to them is exactly what you did:

Why do disrespect the dead by ascribing "beliefs" to them when they were simply doing a job? Why do you assume to know what these people believe in?


Could answer the question without a hissy fit this time please?

 

What belief did I ascribe? Everyone has beliefs. You believe you have a point in this thread. If you cant show me where I ascribed a belief then thats proof your full of it and trolling (badly). Couldnt you see garry17 was trying to get the thread back on track? You just like argueing online so much it doesnt matter if your failing at it, weird. Dont argue for arguments sake, its a waste of time.

 

You wrote:

Why do you suggest that the Australian servicemen who were tragically killed doing their jobs "sacrificed their lives for something they believed in".

What is this "belief" you are ascribing to them? Don't you think that that is quite insulting and belittling to these men? I was under the impression that these men were professionals who were employed in a hazardous career. Not some sort of jihadists running around the world "sacrificing their lives for something they believed in"