On The Impossibility Of Abiogenesis.

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  1. Cosmo

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    You seem confused;the idea that man came from dirt/dust is a religious concept.
     
  2. Maccabee

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    There isn't a third option. Some will claim that aliens seeded the earth but that only kick the can down further and begs the question of who created the aliens. A Russian atheist once said either there is a god or there isn't. Both possibilities are frightening.


    http://faculty.fmcc.suny.edu/mcdarby/Molecules&CellsBook/05-Organic-Molecules.htm[/QUOTE]

    And where did those molecules came from?

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    I believe God+dirt=life while you believe time+dirt=life. Big difference.
     
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    I believe no such thing.
    I blame your assumption on a gross lack of subject knowledge.
     
  4. contrails

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    Through chemical processes like dehydration synthesis and hydrolysis, which any 1st year chemistry student can observe.
     
  5. Maccabee

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    Then where did life came from?
     
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    I'm not asking for the process, I'm asking where did the molecules came from.
     
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    The molecules came from carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and other atoms commonly found on this plant. Where did the material that God made the universe with come from?
     
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    Where did those materials came from? To answer your question God created then out of nothing.
     
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    Here is an interesting video regarding, water.

    [video=youtube;W80mHIGg9v0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W80mHIGg9v0[/video]
     
  10. Maccabee

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    You want me to watch an hour and a half video to see your point with no specific time where your point is made?
     
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    The video is interesting. However, water does have unique properties that have been observed to cause phenotypic changes.
     
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    Abiogenesis
     
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    From energy. You might have heard about Einstein's theories.
     
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    Aka spontaneous generation. That's the process, I'm asking for what came before life.
     
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    First place what came between that and the molecules to create life? Second where did the energy came from?
     
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    Abiogenesis is not a form of spontaneous generation, as it does not say that fully-formed lifeforms arose from inorganic materials;
    it simply states that the precursors to modern life arose from self-replicating organic molecules.
     
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    And where did those organic materials came from?
     
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    Stars...............like EVERYTHING else.
     
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    In other words inorganic material, meaning that you do in fact believe in spontaneous generation.
     
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    I believe that Abiogenesis is possible if not likely and that the spontaneous generation of life (let alone humans) by the magical means of a singular super entity to be so unlikely as to be impossible. I also find said entity to be very confused for allowing thousands of copycat beings to exist for humans to pick from for eons.
     
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    Wait, you think it's more likely for life to come from non life (spontaneous generation) than life to come from life?
     
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    That is quite obviously not what was stated and merely an attempt by you to sideline and avoid discussion by placing you own imagined words into my mouth.
    Why is it that you regularly resort to such actions?
     
  23. Maccabee

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    Becuase I see through the fluff. Do you believe that life came from non life? Plus I asked a question, I didnt said that you said it.
     
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    Energy -> Matter -> Atoms -> Molecules -> Organic Compounds -> Life -> Animals -> Vertebrates -> Mammals -> Primates -> Humans

    We don't know, but that does not presuppose God.
     
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    Your question was answered by me in the post above your own.
    That you asked in again rather than bother to actually READ is not surprising and quite annoying in it's obvious intent. Though I have already placed you into my ignore list for similar activities...I have made the mistake of clicking on "View Post" out of curiosity and entertainment value. It is rare to see such a level of purposeful ignorance and imagination in justification of it.
     
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