Once again the anti gun people proved wrong.

It's not an assumption. It's based on the General Social Survey that has been conducted every two years since 1973. Pew Research has been conducting surveys on the same thing since 1993 and their results confirm the trend.

 

Very well. I'll answer the pertinent questions concerning the thread's topic, and others can offer alternative answers if any.

1) Are the "anti-gun people" the 92% of Americans who answer "Yes" when asked "Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?" because they believe that homicidal maniacs and criminals should not enjoy a permissive approach to their acquiring the weapons they will use to kill?

No, they're just the vast majority of Americans who support the right to keep and bear arms, and support sensible regulation of them.​

2) Who amongst them object to a government Head of Security being armed?

None of them.​

 

You expect me to believe that people picking up the phone are going to answer a stranger asking them if they have a gun in the house? It is no one else's business what someone else owns.
I for one lost the firearms that were in my house in an unfortunate boating mishap.

 

That "92%" is a bit too far fetched to believe. That must have come from the "Progressives for No Personal Responsibility Weekly"

 

People "reporting" household ownership is likely to be very different than actual household ownership, based on political climate.

If you look closely at the GSS trends, you notice something interesting. It appears that when The People aren’t worried that gun control is embraced at the federal level, affirmative responses to household gun ownership polls are as high as 50 percent. On the other hand, when fears about federal gun control are greater, as they were after Johnson signed the Gun Control Act of 1968, after Clinton signed the Brady bill and so-called “assault weapon” laws in the mid ’90s, and after Obama came out in favor of gun control after his second election, such reporting falls to as low as 34%. Obviously, the hostility of sitting presidents towards firearms increases Americans’ desire to keep that aspect of their lives private.

Also, iIf you look closely, the GSS percentages you reference have fluctuated wildly several times over just the last decade or so, dropping eight points in one year, and gaining eight points back the next year, and so on, trends that could hardly reflect reality.

Why?

Since 1980, the U.S. population has risen by over 90 million, or 40 percent, and the number of number of households has risen by nearly 40 million, or 46 percent. The ATF's report covering firearms manufacturing and importation indicates the number of privately owned guns has risen by well over 175 million since 1980. The NICS background checks have gone through the roof.

It's difficult to believe that this was the result of existing gun hoarders adding to their collections.

 

You don't have to believe anything you don't want to, you're free to ignore whatever data you wish.

 

The overall, 40 year trend is clear and easy to see. You are free to ignore this data if you wish.

 

And Gallup's survey shows that the number of people who live in a household with a gun is nearly identical today to what it was in 1972...I guess it all depends on what you want to believe as to what data you will cite, no?

Even Pew has this to say:

There is no definitive data source from the government or elsewhere on how many Americans own guns or how gun ownership rates have changed over time. Also, public opinion surveys provide conflicting results: Some show a decline in the number of households with guns, but another does not.​

...but that won't stop people from cherry picking numbers to declare that the "trend is clear and easy to see."

 

I can put my left shoe on my right foot also but it doesn't make sense to do so. The claim that they are making is impossible to legitimately expect an honest outcome from.
Its like going to your county jail and asking "Who's guilty, please raise your hand"

 

Problems with using the General Social Survey to measure gun ownership

 

Only problem with that incident was the fact that the guy fired twice at the assailant from 8 Feet away and missed both times, sounds like someone needs to spend lots more time at the range, he was luck to have not accidentally shot an innocent bystander. If you are going to carry you owe to those around you to be well trained in the use of your weapon or for public safety sake do not carry until you learn.

 

There's no need to try to rationalize your dismissal of legitimate data in favor of assumptions. You are free to believe whatever you wish.

 

It's safe to say that most Americans agree that universal background checks are a prudent step to prevent easy access to firearms by homicidal maniacs and criminals. A paranoid delusion that sees them all as "anti gun people" is extremist bushwa.

Again, "In Canada ... a good guy with a gun save many people from being killed," is describing a government security guard, and has no bearing on the public's right to keep and bear arms.

"Why is it that the anti gun people cant see this????" fails to identify who those "anti gun people" are that "can't see this" in the mind of the thread's creator.

I know some are desperate to divert the thread's actual topic, but I'm addressing it.

Guns can be regulated under the Constitution, and a Canadian government guard having one has no bearing on the US Second Amendment.

 

I don't see where it states they were 8 foot away or if they had ducked behind something or not. Maybe you can post your article that gives those more advanced details.
I do know that the NYPD hit 9 innocent bystanders with 16 shoots fired before they killed the gunman.
Maybe we should just arm peaceful citizens and make the cops carry Billies.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/

 

Our citizens are armed. Millions of us

 

Here in central Pa. seeing someone with a fire arm is about as common and scary as seeing an indigenous Indian with a machete (Panamanian lawn mower) in Boquete Panama.

 

Having an armed and free populous is what prevents other nations from formally invading. The mere thought of 300 million guns in the hands of 300 million pissed off Patriots, is enough to scare nations like Russia or China from any attacks. Let alone we have, by far, the most powerful military in the world. Love it!

 

Thank you Mr Obvious.

 

I have no problem with people carrying and that includes law enforcement, that is if they actually know how to use their tools, what a thought eh. This was debated to death on another site I used to frequent and here is one link to the incident:
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/rep-flynn-involved-in-shootout-in-harrisburg-1.1771469

 

Unfortunately in todays world Im more concerned about the neo con, paranoid rights grabbers in Washington then I am the Chinese or Russians. I do think they are asking for it though by putting their countries so close to our military bases though.

 

Thanks that is a much better account of what happened. Maybe he needs to carry a 12 gauge next time so he doesn't miss.

 

The Gallup info used a significantly smaller random sample than the GSS, covers less than half the time period, and still shows a drop in gun ownership. The ABC poll covers even less time and is from open Internet polling (notoriously unreliable). Not really sure how an increase in gun ownership in one state is supposed to refute a national trend supported by the GSS and Pew.

If you want to ignore the data, feel free. But if you wish to refute it you'll have to do better.

 

Without the range time he would become an even greater danger to the general populace. Practice, Practice, Practice, then Practice some more.

 

I know an awful lot of people that do not let anyone know what guns they own so having to rely on polls is very sketchy at best. You can ignore the explosion in carry license applications, the explosion of first time gun buyers in guns stores and only believe a faulty poll. Your choice.

I for one have a lot of guns but bought none the last number of years of Obama buying madness because, well, the prices went up. Most people buying pay more because it is their first gun and they either don't know any better or feel they better get one before the gun grabbers get more power.

 

I agree. I was making an attempt at humor.