One day 'your leader' will convince you to turn in your guns

Gun control can only be accomplished when a leader (politician) of the gun owners is convincing them to turn in their guns (this is what German history shows) This can only be done when the gun owners are organized. This is done by pushing for gun control since begin this year. By continuesly pushing for gun control they have caused resistance in the gun owners.
They are organizing the gun owners (behind a politician or via an organisation, can even be the NRA (if you see red-white-black banners the chance is very high that that organisation is taken over, because you see these combination more often used, and were used in NS Germany as well)
By causing resistance or fight in the gun owners they can cause a revolt in that mass of people, and by that organize them behind a leader (a popular politician or other leader figure) If that is accomplished they will one day convince the (revolutionized) gun owners to turn in their guns.
German history is again very important of what is going on since the turn of the century.

 

Yes. A revolt will happen. Or you can look at all of the past instead of cherry picking. The US doesn't have a strong sense of revolting, after all it didn't work in the civil war. There will be no barricades in the streets. There will be no revolt at all.

 

You are uninformed.

 

I'm uninformed? Please, tell us all about the Americans revolting. Tell me how the Civil War worked out. Tell me all the times we have violently resisted an election result.

 

If, and its a huge if, "they" were to come take our guns. You would see a revolt.
Millions of us are extremely well armed, enough guns and ammo is stocked piled in US homes to launch a formidible defensive if needed followed by a formidible offensive if needed to take our nation back.
We are not just a bunch of fat rednecks that sit around drinking beer and talking about "what we would do". Many of us are actively getting ready for it.
I truely hope I am long dead and gone before it comes to that, but my hiers will have my weapons to use as necessary.

 

I'm sorry if it doesn't seem I take you seriously. But I highly doubt that when it does happen you will feel the same way.

 

I cant say i disagree with him. Our countries grasp for gun control has done absolutely nothing to reduce violent crime or murders. Criminals do not follow the law to begin with so making more laws wont effect anything. All they do is hurt the law abiding citizen. Some of our politicians are pushing very hard. Some say they are pushing to hard for more gun control. If they push to hard, they will see more resistance. In the coming years it may lead to an eventual gun confiscation. If/when that happens, you will see resistance across the country.it wont be right away. It will take a spark. That spark will be when the first lawful gun owner is killed by protecting their freedom to keep and bare arms.

I believe there is going to be a second revolutionary war. Politicians today are mostly corrupted into governing by their own greed instead of what is best for the people. Tis war will not be north v south. It willbe citizens against tyrannical gov.

 

Yea, you weaklings keep thinking that so you dont feel like pansies.
Iam well armed, trained and willing.
I also know they chances are slim to none, but there are chances that it may happen. So I and others are prepared.
Choose to take that seriously or not. Its your call, but the decisions have been made that our group will help no one that didnt prepare.

 

LOL its all talk. If you and the rest of your believers were more than just full of (*)(*)(*)(*) and vinegar you would have gone to war in Sept 2005.

 

Keep thinking that. You are the type that will be used as collateral damage by the goverment to justify thier means.
Let me ask you, you keep a fire extingusher in your home? Jumper cables in your car or a spare tire?
Most times dont need those things. But you prepare for them dont you?
Its not like I sit around waiting for it to happen, heck even going to an out door wedding in a little while. Be gone all day and I doubt anyone will be packing.

 

Yeah... I'll believe you if I start forgetting history.

 

here's the million dollar question: Once you have been protected with government help against all of us lawful owners, who's going to protect you from them? Remember, you are helping them tear apart the Bill of Rights. You are betraying your own country. You think they'll respect another tory? If you've turned against your neighbor, do you really think the gov is gonna trust you? A traitor is a traitor no matter what coat he wears.

 

Really? Who's history are you talking? Yours of never fighting for anything that means anything to you. Knuckleing under and bending over for your oppressors?

 

One day 'your leader' will convince you to turn in your guns
No they won't, far too many Americans will fight to protect our 2nd A rights and most Americans do not "follow" any leader that closely. It tells me someone does not know much about Americans and their way of thinking and proved it. FYI: I was born in Germany, have many relatives there, vist fairly often and have studied their/my history all my life, I was raised around the world and in the US, Texas in particular and call it Home, if you believe Americans are anything like the Germans you are only showing your ignorance on the topic that you are claiming to know and making predictions on.

 

What concerns me is not that a "leader" will eventually get people to turn their guns in.... What concerns me is the social engineering (for lack of better terms) that basically aims to change the minds of the people in this country. If someone hears something enough they are likely to begin to believe it.... Especially if it's started at a very early age.
Today, our media, politicians, and other sources of influence focuses on gun control far more than it ever has before. It seems this attention does two things....
First, it seems to drive the insane to "outdo" the last idiot, and be even more dramatic when they decide they want to swallow a bullet. Just shooting themselves wasn't enough so they go into a mall and shoot people.... News coverage and all of a sudden that person is famous and their name is known throughout the land. Insane person seeing this that was on the edge anyway, decides he can do the same, but only bigger. BAM he shoots up a school full of kindergarten kids.... I'm not saying censorship of media is what is needed here, but the link seems to be possible.
Secondly, this attention coupled with the insanity of a select few is being used to drive an agenda of the gun grabbing crowd. Emotions are the biggest tool of the people that would like to see our guns taken away totally.

 

Lib-coms and Obamaphiles, your leaders don't really hate guns themselves, they hate them in the hands of anyone who doesn't support your agenda.

One of the greatest progressives to ever walk the earth was Stalin. His gun control laws in 1929 were of great use in exterminating millons of political dissidents.

The following article is by Stanislav Mishin:

These days, there are few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bear arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. Fighting knives were a prominent part of many traditional attires and those little tubes criss crossing on the costumes of Cossacks and various Caucasian peoples? Well those are bullet holders for rifles.

Various armies, such as the Poles, during the Смута (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.

This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lying guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed. The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene. They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.

Of course being savages, murderers and liars does not mean being stupid and the Reds learned from their Civil War experience. One of the first things they did was to disarm the population. From that point, mass repression, mass arrests, mass deportations, mass murder, mass starvation were all a safe game for the powers that were. The worst they had to fear was a pitchfork in the guts or a knife in the back or the occasional hunting rifle. Not much for soldiers.

To this day, with the Soviet Union now dead 21 years, with a whole generation born and raised to adulthood without the SU, we are still denied our basic and traditional rights to self defense. Why? We are told that everyone would just start shooting each other and crime would be everywhere....but criminals are still armed and still murdering and too often, especially in the far regions, those criminals wear the uniforms of the police. The fact that everyone would start shooting is also laughable when statistics are examined.

While President Putin pushes through reforms, the local authorities, especially in our vast hinterland, do not feel they need to act like they work for the people. They do as they please, a tyrannical class who knows they have absolutely nothing to fear from a relatively unarmed population. This in turn breeds not respect but absolute contempt and often enough, criminal abuse.

For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the US 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever darkening room. Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position. In all cases where guns are banned, gun crime continues and often increases. As for maniacs, be it nuts with cars (NYC, Chapel Hill NC), swords (Japan), knives (China) or home made bombs (everywhere), insane people strike. They throw acid (Pakistan, UK), they throw fire bombs (France), they attack. What is worse, is, that the best way to stop a maniac is not psychology or jail or "talking to them", it is a bullet in the head, that is why they are a maniac, because they are incapable of living in reality or stopping themselves.

The excuse that people will start shooting each other is also plain and silly. So it is our politicians saying that our society is full of incapable adolescents who can never be trusted? Then, please explain how we can trust them or the police, who themselves grew up and came from the same culture?

No it is about power and a total power over the people. There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed. Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

So, do not fall for the false promises and do not extinguish the light that is left to allow humanity a measure of self respect.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/1940079992001

 

but.......but..........but ..........we don't need guns today, we have such an advanced legal system and trust worthy cops and honorable judges, we should never fear being targeted by government agencies because we still have our free speech...I think, let me check............IRS says no. DHS says no. Constitution is being sold to the government real cheap by the Bill of Right haters. Matter of fact, looks like they're just giving theirs up and mine, too........

 

Right... So we'll have another couple of Waco incidents. Good luck with that.

Here's an interesting link for you that might put things into perspective. It even includes a little Obama-bashing just for good measure.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/12/guns-in-america-statistics/60071/

 

Or like Australia. I HOPE people here NEVER get that stupid.

 

Do you think for one second any trained fighting man will sit in a building waiting to be taken out??? Where did you get your training???

 

David Koresh got what he was asking for.

 

There will never be a armed rebellion in the USA. A open conflict in the streets would make to many billionaires and millionaires paupers. An open conflict in the USA would destroy the economy, destroy much of the infrastructure. People who own that stuff are not going to let it be destroyed.

 

The US, so I guess ours. In case you haven't noticed, there is a weak tradition of revolting in the US.

 

What sane person laments the dearth of revolts in America???

Aside from the preposterous notion that we should have had more revolts, I'd like to interject a moment of clear thinking.

Part of the miracle of our experiment in government is that our system has accommodated great societal change WITHOUT the need for many large scale revolts.

If circumstances were to lead to insurrection in America it should all be laid at the feet of a radical POTUS who announced his intention to "fundamentally change" this nation and a fawning, complicit media who helped him do what he had previously announced.

I will hold the silly, ill-informed and uninformed BOB (Barack O Bama) supporters guiltless (in this post, anyway).

 

1. Tell me where I support having revolts.

2. Of course, that's my point. The last "revolt" that we had, was the Civil War. After that, we have had stable elections and nothing ever to that scale ever again. Even the civil rights movement, despite all the deaths that still happened, rather civil compared to a 100 years ago. The last election we had, what was the response to Obama winning? Going on the white house webpage and filing a petition. To somehow say that you're going to go out and start shooting people, and there will be a revolt over losing rights, is pretty far stretched.

3. I don't support Obama. I'm not a real big fan of the guy.