Opinion Entitlements and confirmation bias

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  1. Vet1966

    Vet1966 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts". This statement has been connected through political dialog and writings to a mental illness called "confirmation bias".

    Confirmation bias is the tendency to interpret any evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories. One of the better known cases of confirmation bias was a famous news anchor named Dan Rather whose final epitaph is a video of him waving a fake document that mis-characterized Bush Jrs service in the Texas National Guard as Rather stated "The document is false, but I know that the allegations (of misconduct) are true". Even without clear cut evidence, and absolutely no other support for his allegations, Rather "knew" Bush Jr was guilty. It destroyed Rathers career.

    For the never-Trump crowd, the belief is that there must be something out there - some crime, some mis-deed that Trump committed that justifies their immediate belief in all things that are anti-Trump in nature. Even though it has been proven by circumstantial evidence that the Clinton campaign started the Russian collusion hoax, that the hoax was criminally promulgated by leadership in both the DoJ and FBI and continued by the fake news and the Democrat political powers.

    The Mueller Investigations have now proven that there are no facts out there that support any kind of collusion between President Trump and the Russians. Yet there are thousands of pundits and politicians suffering with the same mental illness who "know' that President Trump is guilty. Even after all of the allegations and accusations of Russian collusion have proven groundless, even though all of the mud they've thrown at him has not stuck, they can't let it go as they continue with their biased narrative - and they can't see that it is destroying their veracity and the authenticity of the organizations they represent.

    The one question I have in all of this is why we continue to allow these mentally ill people into positions of power where they have done and can continue to do unimagined damage to innocent people and to the integrity of their organizations and our great government.
     
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    I don't get why people think all of this is over.

    Anyway, Trump has had a long history of legal shenanigans going back decades, long before he was the prez....so why lawsuits and investigations and allegations seems like a new thing to some people makes no sense. Trump supporters are well aware he's a complete sleazeball. They say so all the time.
     
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    Vet1966 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm aware that President Trump is the most effective President since 2,000. I am aware that he is the best of the best and the worst of the worst. I am aware that, within limits, he is giving his constituents everything he promised on the campaign trail.

    I'm aware that the the leadership of both parties are ineffective liars who will tell their constituents all kinds of lies while serving their globalist and military industrial masters.

    Through your post, you have made me aware that "confirmation bias" is not limited to pundits and pols
     
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    Because it is over.

    The left put all their eggs in Mueller's basket, claiming over and over again that Mueller would 100% get Trump on something.

    It didn't happen which proved the democrats are the ones who lie.

    The right, along with Trump, claimed he was not guilty and we were proven true.

    Not once did any democrat say, "the Mueller report doesn't really matter, we are waiting for the investigations afterwards".

    There wasn't supposed to be a reason to investigate any further than Mueller.
     
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    The Republicans investigated Benghazi for almost 4 years - you honestly think that investigations into this administration are over?
    Hell, Trump has had the largest number of staff members leave because of ethics violations of any administration. You think it suddenly has become clean as snow? There is a pattern of poor ethical behavior in the Trump Administration. It's doubtful that it ends with Mueller. There is always something new with this guy. It's what happens when you elect a Drama Queen President.
     
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    Doesn't matter because that wasn't my point.

    My point was the democrats claimed for a fact that Trump was guilty, just like you are saying now, and that Mueller would nail him.

    That was a lie.

    How many times on this very forum did you see them reply with "just wait, it's coming".

    Nothing was ever coming.
     
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    Have you seen the report? How do you know 100% that it's over?

    Regarding you all claiming he was not guilty, so what? What else are you going to say? Besides, even if he is, you wouldn't care.
     
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    Mueller said there would be no more indictments so yes, it is over.
     
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    Well, let's wait and see.

    Aside from that, there has always been a boatload of other legal crap.

    And aside from that, Trump is still a lying buffoon. I could not really care less about any of this. It's just another part of this clown's reality show.

    None of this changes the fact that he is a disaster.

    It's things like this that really matter:

    15 ways the Trump administration has changed environmental policies
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ys-trump-administration-impacted-environment/

    Recording Reveals Oil Industry Execs Laughing at Trump Access
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...industry-influence-investigation-zinke-226106
     
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    You may be right.

    But then again, Mueller did turn over some of his findings to the NY State Attorney's office which has an on-going investigation. Financial wrong-doings were outside Mueller's charter, so we'll have to wait and see if Mueller's investigations turned up anything on that end. It is unknown at this point.
     
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    That is a statement of opinion not a statement of fact.
     
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    Um, not really.

    Is it over? No.

    Has Trump had gobs of legal entanglements for his entire life? Yes.

    Do Trump supporters know about that stuff, admit he's a sleaze, and state they don't care? Yes, all the time.
     
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    All of them have been civil in nature not criminal.
     
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    True.

    He has a quite a history of insulating himself.

    Others do his dirty work and others take the fall.
     
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    So far all I can find is Cohen and he pretty much did it to himself.
     
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    Because if we only allowed sane people into positions of power in any institution, no one would be left.
     
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    Speaking of confirmation bias. How do you prove a negative?

    We haven't seen the report yet. What we know is that Mueller didn't find enough evidence to support an indictment. That doesn't mean he didn't find any evidence of a crime. And even if he didn't, it doesn't mean that no such evidence exists. Especially given the fact that Trump declined to testify. We'll never know if or how he might have incriminated himself.
     
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    Given the demonstrated willingness of many on the special councils staff to call you a liar simply because you didn't tell them what they wanted to hear the only thing they'd ever get from me is a 5th amendment plea and a polite request that they go pound sand. Kudo's to Corsi for sticking to his guns.
     
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    :roflol:

    Highly amusing to observe the unintended ironic projection of Confirmation Bias in the OP given the Court documented EVIDENCE that the BLOTUS is guilty of conspiring to commit campaign finance violations.

    In fact the OP is a litany of various Confirmation Biases held by BLOTUS supporters based entirely on all of the lies he has told that they believe to be true despite all factual evidence to the contrary.

    :roflol:
     
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    There could still be sealed indictments and the DoJ could decide to issue further indictments based upon recommendations in the SC report.

    Just because Mueller isn't going to issue any more indictments does not mean that there are no more to come.
     
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    I'll give you this point, I think it is premature to declare victory at this time. There could be damaging info in the report but with Mueller not having the power to indict a siiting president his hands could be tied. Let's wait for the Barr report before doing any celebrating. As for the rest, that is SOP for the rich and powerful. Read http://peterschweizer.com/books/throw-them-all-out/ it will open your eyes to the corruption and misdeeds of the ruling class. There is plenty of graft to go around and it is one of the main reasons that the counties surrounding DC are the richest in the country.
     
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    Why do people believe Trump is guilty even though there is no factual evidence to support their biased claims? Don’t know...maybe same reason people continued to believe Obama wasn’t born in the US even though there was no factual evidence to support their biased claims. Maybe same reason people still think we didn’t land on the moon or that 9/11 was an inside job. There are nutjobs on both sides.
     
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    There was evidence, you just rather ignore it.

    A 1991 literary client list promotional booklet identified Barack Obama as having been born in Kenya
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/promotional-booklet/

    Blame this guy if that claim is false.
     

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