Oswald was the lone assassin...CASE CLOSED

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  1. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    It blew a big chunk out of his damn head...the zapruder film clearly shows blood and brain matter exiting the front of his head in frame 313...No doubt the bullet went through the basal ganglia,causing an involuntary muscle spasm..
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Our governmet is NOT 'abhorrent' one hand doesn't seem to know what the other is doing however...
     
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    Until a few days ago you were working for the government in 2014. I can't think of a better word to describe theft on such a widespread scale than abhorrent.

    Assassinating Kennedy is pretty small scale. People overstate it because they have this idea that assassinating a President robs the people of their consent to the government. It messes with Democracy.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    The president is only one part of those who 'govern',so it's a good thing we aren't a democracy.....
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Think of it like the mafia boss running the protection racket extorting your business being shot. Meh. No real change, some other guy will take over and do the same.
     
  6. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    True enough but there is every chance and reason to expect that the same people that shot John Kennedy and then obscured their tracks are still running things.

    If anything it would wonderful to know who really shot the president so those people that still manage the game realize that we are on to them.
    Knowing you have been found out can be quite unsettling.
     
  7. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    It was one guy and he is dead.

    No evidence exists of a conspiracy.
     
  8. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    There certainly is ample evidence of a cover up.
    For one small example JFK's limousine was simply commandeered by the Secret Service and vital evidence was removed and destroyed.

    Not everyone is as easily pacified as fans of the official narrative.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    That is not evidence of a cover up the relevant evidence was in fact gathered. The limo was federal property.
     
  10. Yosh Shmenge

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    You sound like you have convinced yourself...but not me.
    No one destroys vital evidence by accident. Certainly not the Secret Service. It's "interesting" that you think it's okay to gut the limousine
    because it's federal property (actually it had been on loan from Ford, in any event).
     
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    They did not destroy vital evidence that is the point.

    They did not gut it either it is still on display at the ford museum.

    The evidence convinces anyone with a brain and there is no evidence of a cover up
     
  12. Yosh Shmenge

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    The JFK limo may or may not be on display at the Ford museum (and that point is irrelevant).

    The real relevant point is that the vital evidence that was removed by the Secret Service from it, i.e. windshield, body panels,upholstery, etc. was taken away long ago. And with good reason: the bullet hole in the windshield alone is proof positive of more than one shooter.

    The list of lost or destroyed evidence ignored by the Warren Commission practically goes on forever. I suggest you view my citation.
     
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    There is no question that the limo is in the museum irrelevant or not it is fact.

    The parts you describe were removed from the limosine AS EVIDENCE and used by the warren commission to determine many facts such we where the fatal shots came from and the national archives still maintains those pieces of evidence to this very day.

    None of this evidence you refer to was lost or destroyed it was collected AS evidence.

    You nonestly need to stop reading conspiracy theories which are the academic equivelance of a tabloid and study real history with an eye for detail.
     
  16. Yosh Shmenge

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    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/20/tampering-with-the-limo-in-the-jfk-altgen6/ Contrast this.....
    with this. . http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-3.html
    If only things were as simple and straightforward as you'd like to believe.

    The Warren Commission notes the windshield (in which a bullet hole can clearly be seen from photographs before the window was switched out):

    "The physical characteristics of the windshield after the assassination demonstrate that the windshield was struck on the inside surface. The windshield is composed of two layers of glass with a very thin layer of plastic in the middle "which bonds them together in the form of safety glass."101 The windshield was extracted from the automobile and was examined during a Commission hearing.102 (See Commission Exhibit No. 350, p. 78.) According to Robert A. Frazier, FBI firearms expert, the fact that cracks were present on the outer layer of glass showed that the glass had been struck from the inside. He testified that the windshield could not have been struck on the outside surface because of the manner in which the glass broke and further because of the lead residue on the inside surface. The cracks appear in the outer layer of the glass because the glass is bent outward at the time of impact which stretches the outer layer of the glass to the point where these small radial or wagon spoke, wagon wheel spoke-type cracks appear on the outer surface"

    It's impossible to reconcile the information from the two differing links. So you can doubt your own lying eyes, or just chalk up another
    vital detail covered up by the Warren Commission and add that to the long, long list.
     
  17. Soupnazi

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    They covered nothing up they examined the actual windshield the link you provided offers no such examination.

    It is in fact conspiracy theorists stating the lie.

    There is no such list this first claim of the windshield has been proven false as do all the claims of a cover up.
     
  18. Yosh Shmenge

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    You reasoning is as missing as your punctuation. I guess you don't believe your own lying eyes but eye witnesses tell a different story.
    "(4) Mr. George Whitaker, Sr., a senior manager at the Ford Motor Company’s Rouge Plant in Detroit, Michigan, told attorney (and professor of criminal justice) Doug Weldon in August of 1993, in a tape recorded conversation, that after reporting to work on Monday, November 25th, he discovered the JFK limousine — a unique, one-of-a-kind item that he unequivocally identified — in the Rouge Plant’s B building, with the interior stripped out and in the process of being replaced, and with the windshield removed. He was then contacted by one of the Vice Presidents of the division for which he worked, and directed to report to the glass plant lab, immediately. After knocking on the locked door (which he found most unusual), he was let in by two of his subordinates and discovered that they were in possession of the windshield that had been removed from the JFK limousine. They had been told to use it as a template, and to make a new windshield identical to it in shape — and to then get the new windshield back to the B building for installation in the Presidential limousine that was quickly being rebuilt. Whitaker told Weldon (quoting from the audiotape of the 1993 interview): “And the windshield had a bullet hole in it, coming from the outside through…it was a good, clean bullet hole, right straight through, from the front. And you can tell, when the bullet hits the windshield, like when you hit a rock or something, what happens? The back chips out and the front may just have a pinhole in it…this had a clean round hole in the front and fragmentation coming out the back.” Whitaker told Weldon that he eventually became superintendent of his division and was placed in charge of five plant divisions. He also told Weldon that the original windshield, with the bullet hole in it, had been broken up and scrapped — as ordered — after the new windshield had been made."
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/06/...k-limousine-windshield-hiding-in-plain-sight/

    You are the worst sort of apologists that doesn't even try to deal with the evidence. Good bye.
     
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    What yhou posted is second hand information which is not evidence or even an eyewitness.

    Learn the difference and then come back around.

    You failed to provide a shred of evidence and the existing evidence proves you wrong.

    The worst kind of sucker is one suckered by conspiracy theorists who then defends his own gullibility by claiming it is noble because the government said otherwise.
     
  20. Yosh Shmenge

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    Been in the 21st century long now?
    A tape recorded conversation is a first person account by an eye witness recorded by electronic means and is no different in substance than one person telling another his experience with Ford tampering with vital JFK evidence.

    But I suppose you don't like what he reported so I'm not surprised you would try to discredit it. That seems disingenuous of you.

    It proves me so wrong that the government had to appoint a second panel to investigate and correct the findings of the first panel, the Warren Commission.
    Yet that's who you cling to for dear life.

    No. The worst sort of sucker is the one who believes whatever the government tells him, despite all the evidence to the contrary. I pity AND despise people like you.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No sir you are wrong hemerely told it to someone who repeated it making it second hand information with no recording to prove otherwise.

    The windshield was removed and studied as evidence by the Warren commision. Even before it was removed the bullet hole was photographed and originated from inside out of the limo. That is fact since the placement of the whole allowed for no other angle. HAd it come from outside the limo it would have to have been fired from inside the triple underpass which not even zany conspiracy nuts such as yourself claim a gun man was located.

    The second panel offerred no such correction in fact the House Select committee on Assasination supported and backed up the Warren Commission report. The only difference being that they changed their conclusion to a PROBABLE conspiracy after last minute evidence was admitted.

    Unfortunately again for theloony tune conspiracy nuts that last minute evidence has been proven false. This piece of evidence is the acoustic recording taken from Dallas PD. SPecifically a recording of what was received by the shoulder mic of a motorcycle cop who was riding in the motorcade. Only AFTER the HSCA was finished and disbanded was it proven that the recording included no souns of gun fire and was in fact taken several minutes after the assassination when the officer arrived at PArkland memorial hospital. In fact an anouncement over the hospital PA system can be heard on it as well as church bells from a nearby church. But no gun fire.

    As this was the ONLY evidence used to support a probable conspiracy and is proven wrong the original waren commision report stands unchallenged.

    That's right it is unchallenged. You have no evidence to prove a cover up or conspiracy whatsoever.

    And neither does anyone else despite decades of book writing and film making.

    The evidence disputes you and not the government and that is why you are the sucker who despises only yourself
     
  22. Yosh Shmenge

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    "Mr. George Whitaker, Sr., a senior manager at the Ford Motor Company’s Rouge Plant in Detroit, Michigan, told attorney (and professor of criminal justice) Doug Weldon in August of 1993, in a tape recorded conversation,"

    You are wrong on such a basic level how can you be right about anything else? Therefore I dismiss you as a hopeless partisan.
     
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    This statement is the epitome of false.
     
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    Nope it is the epitomy of accuracy .
     
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    Then impress me with your wares.
     

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