Over 100 fully vaccinated people contract COVID-19 in Washington state, officials say

you were wrong, the vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus, it only teaches your immune system to fight it off better, thus less likely you will get as sick or need hospitalization

the point is

"Over 100 fully vaccinated people contract COVID-19 in Washington state, officials say"

that is no surprise and is expected

also, as your only improving your immune systems ability to fight it, if your immune system is compromised, it still may not win the fight

like a drunk army being attacked... may lose a battle even though well-trained

 

I got ill recently, started as a mild sore throat, runny nose and sneezes. Turned to almost a sinus like infection and lung congestion, no colored mucus or snot though. I'm getting over it. @CenterField
Sound like a got it? Cough was pretty bad (I smoke non filtered ciggs though) At one point, it scared me. Coughing while driving, I got light headed a few times, not a great time for that to happen.

 

that is true as well, especially with the cold temps required for some

I got the Pfizer one, hopefully stored at proper temps and all, but glad I got it

 

I got my second Pfizer shot today and I already had the virus. When as asked about the side effects, they said it could be nothing, it could be mild, it could be horrible. I guess I'll find out tomorrow morning.

 

yep, the first one is usually less than the 2nd as your setting off your immune response more due to what it learned the first time

and as you already had, this would be your third exposure

hope it's mild for ya

 

So, efficacy is like a new car's advertised gas mileage, & effectiveness is the, "your actual mileage may vary," fine print.

I gotta say, unless those words were only meant to be used within the medical community-- with different words, then, chosen to relate these two varying concepts to patients-- they were an idiotic choice. The average person is not going to differentiate between the words efficacy & effectiveness since, in normal English, the concepts are identical. This means, unless every healthcare provider takes the time to explain this oddity of medical-speak, as you have done, with every patient who wishes to be informed as to the anticipated results of whatever medical tool (if this is used for anything else beside vaccines?) they are consenting to try-- and most of us are well aware of how doctors generally act as though they are under too much of a time pressure to go into a lot of detail or answer a lot of questions (I once had an Ear, Nose, & Throat doctor who wanted to do a procedure on my sinuses, and to my questions about it, only told me to, "look it up on you tube")-- then they are not truly providing for informed consent. Unless, perhaps, in the language of physicians, that phrase translates to layman's English as, infirm-med consent.


P.S.-- This is a point about using deceptive language, not about the Covid vaccines, per se (which I certainly intend to get), so reproving me for having an anti-vax or even anti-medical bias is completely uncalled for, except by those who would define the enemies of modern medicine as any person who would dare utter anything non-complimentary, about any part of the entire medical establishment.

 

Though we are all unique, to some degree, I'll clue you in to what I've read & heard. The side-effects are due to your body's immune response. The second dose of any multi-dose vaccine tends to bring on a stronger reaction, because the immune system has now been primed for action, by the initial dose. Having previously had the virus, also primes your immune response. Lastly, on the negative side of the balance sheet, I have read from at least one source, that the Pfizer vaccine has been the more problemmatic of the two, though many experience enhanced side-effects to their second dose of either. I don't want to guess as to percentages, as I've seen a range from below 5% (according to Pfizer's & Moderna's trials), to 40 or even 50% (from an AARP article).

Now, for the more hopeful indicators, in your case. From having read your posts, I'm going to assume that Steve is not a nickname for Stephanie, which is good, because womens' immune systems are generally stronger than mens', which translates into the fairer sex having a greater likelihood of feeling side effects. Part of it has to do with womens' hormones, which boost immune response, while testosterone actually dampens it.
For this reason, women are far more likely to have autoimmune conditions, in general, than men, as well as to have long-lingering effects after recovering from Covid-19. Men, on the other hand, are much more likely than women to be hospitalized when they have Covid-19. That source also said men are more likely to die from it, though I'd thought that it was an over-blown immune response which was the most likely factor to make a Covid infection a deadly condition, so there seems to be a contradiction in the arguments, there.

Because of the connection between the strength of one's immune system & the side-effects one experiences, after immunization, it's actually good to be old-- er, I mean-- of a more mature age. Young people have generally-stronger immune systems, which tend to weaken, in those of us who are beyond our physical primes. A less-vibrant immune system should mean a lessened possibility of really-bad side effects.

I hope you sail through the next couple of days. If not, the consensus of articles appear to agree that a couple of days is all you'll have to put up with. So I hope you, at least, won't be an exceptional case.

Good health!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/feeds.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2021/women-covid-vaccine-side-effects.html?_amp=true

From the linked article:

The more robust female immune response is also why women are generally better at fighting off infections such as sepsis, pneumonia and, now, COVID-19. Studies show that men who get COVID-19 are almost three times as likely to require intensive care as women who are infected, and they're also more likely to die.

On the other hand, women are twice as likely as men to have autoimmune diseases such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis and psoriasis — another consequence of their strong immune response. In those disorders, the body's immune system mistakenly attacks the body and causes inflammation.

Donnelly says the same phenomenon could also explain why women are more likely to identify as “long-haulers” — COVID-19 survivors who have symptoms that last for months after they are no longer infected with the coronavirus. Many doctors believe the condition isn't caused by the virus itself, Donnelly says, but “from the immune system going into overdrive and fighting even after the virus has been cleared.”

Hormones, genes may play a role
Experts aren't sure exactly why men and women have such different immune responses, but hormones probably play a role. Studies have linked high amounts of testosterone to a weaker immune response, while estrogen and progesterone seem to boost the body's defenses.

A small study published in March 2021 in the journal Chest found that giving hospitalized male COVID-19 patients the female hormone progesterone improved clinical outcomes.

Scientists have also identified several genes related to immunity that reside on the X chromosome, points out Panagis Galiatsatos, M.D., a physician in the Division of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at Johns Hopkins Medicine. Men have just one X chromosome, while women have two.

 

Only by way of suggestion and innuendo have the gullible and frightened been convinced that the injection is their salvation. Pharma advertising rhetoric is all.

Reading the fine print, actually practicing Informed Consent, shows they make no guarantees at all, it's a crap shoot, and very profitable for Pharma.

The Great Vaccine Scam: Even Establishment Experts and Scientists Admit the Jabs Are Ineffective - LewRockwell

So the new term is "breakthrough cases", and not just in Washington. Some here in Florida, some in Hawaii and other states, and of course a boatload of them in Israel.

 

Could be, symptoms are variable. One of the most reliable one is decrease in sense of taste and especially smell. But get tested anyway. It could be Covid-19, could also be totally unrelated.

 

By the way, I'm disgusted at the racist attack on people of English descent after the media hype over the new variant. This last shooting in Boulder is proof of this new wave of violence targeting people of English descent. Haters gonna hate

 

Tis no big deal.

From the article:

...less than 0.01% of all fully vaccinated individuals in the northwestern U.S. state. Most cases were patients who experienced only mild symptoms, if any, according to a press release from the Washington State Department of Health.

Me happy

 

Up to 95% effective means at least 5% not effective. Roll the dice one way or the other. The choice is largely yours to make.

 

Well Steve N? How was the day after the second shot?

 

I should get tested. Fortunately, taste and smell are fine. It's weird, like lung congestion and damn near like a sinus infection but still, no colors in discharges.

 

It prevents you getting infected and now we believe transmitting, you get the virus in you but the vaccine prevents you from getting COVID the disease.

"Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. effectively prevented coronavirus infections, not just illness, with substantial protection evident two weeks after the first dose, government researchers said.

Two doses of the vaccines provide as much as 90% protection against infection, according to data from U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published Monday. Earlier clinical trials had established that the shots also prevent illness, hospitalizations, and deaths."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ccines-prevent-infections-in-real-world-study

 

Had that a year ago February but ended up a bad allergy thingy going around, was real sick for about two weeks. Did not lose tastes and more important never ran a fever. Alerted the Doc and kept in touch and after 5 days he sent some cautionary antibody and steroid and I got better. His main thing was was I running any kind of fever even just slight or intermittent so I kept checking that. Got over it.

Then tested for antibodies in June and was negative.

 

Mine was Moderna, second day around lunch time just got sorta tired and wanted to lay down. Fell asleep for about 3 hours got up and was fine.

 

So I keep watching these Balance of Nature commercials where they claim to give you plant immunities and since we've had no reported cases of plants getting COVID maybe everyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated could just eat handfuls of those? Am I missing something?

 

I had no side effects at all after my 2nd Pfizer shot.

 

No problems at all. None. I didn't expect that.

 

Mine was a "sorta", I rarely take a nap during the day and that was all it was. Most of my friends and family either nothing or something similar.

 

it can prevent you from getting a full-blown case, but if someone sneezes on you that has it, you still may get it, you just hopefully fight it off with that newly trained immune system before it gets ugly

think about it, makes no sense to train your immune system if you can never get the virus after the vaccine - cause that is the point of the vaccine, teaching your immune system to fight the covid-19 virus

 

It can prevent you from getting Covid at all read the link in fact that is what they are finding it does and also prevents you from transmitting. It's even better than we expected.

 

no it can't, what do you think the vaccine is doing, putting a bubble around you

it does prevent spread and infections, by reducing the people infected (time infected) and reproducing the virus in their cells to spread to others

the vaccine is training your immune system to fight the virus, the one you say you will never get after the vaccine, lol... no, you can still get it, your immune system just is better trained to fight it off, which is a good thing

 

Glad to hear! I look forward to disagreeing with you in future threads.