Palestinian farmer killed by Israeli strike in Gaza

When arabs chose war intead of the peaceful UN partition they thought they would win it easily

But they lost that war and many more since

And thats the reason for their miserable condition today

 

I think the UN must change itself. The US through Trump has shown it is fit for nothing what with Haley repeatedly making it known that if people do not vote the way the US wants they will receive no funding which the US already gives so basically now it is only a house of Bribery. I think we do need a UN though. When it is changed I agree they should get rid of the rights of the Permanent 5 and then expect countries to give proportionally as they can.

I am not sure what you are meaning about going with terrorists but if in connection with this thread you are thinking of Hamas. Hamas was only created as a terrorist group after Blair decided to follow Bush on the ME. Prior to that the EU had put in Alistaire Crooke to work with Hamas and try and get them ready to come to the negotiating table. He was being very successful when suddenly he was told that Germany and from them the rest of the EU had agreed to call Hamas a terrorist group and he would no longer be needed in his job.

Basically the EU opted out of conflict resolution, put Hamas on the terrorist list and agreed that Israel could use her army against the Palestinian civilians and built prisons to put political activists in, without trial if wanted. As Crooke said the moment they all decided to call Hamas a terrorist group they decided they would not work for a just resolution as this would be impossible without Hamas and once a group is labelled 'terrorist' it is more or less impossible to hold talks with them.

 

They came in because Muslims and Christians were being attacked and ethnically cleansed. They came in because their people demanded they go and help the Muslims and Christians and because they did not want more lives to feed. 200,000 Palestinians had been ethnically cleansed before the Arabs came in.

 

It all reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons, where Lisa wires up a cupcake to an electricity supply to see how often Bart will keep trying to get at it before he realises it isn't worth the pain. As I recall he tried about 6 times before giving up - how effing stupid is that??

 

The invasion of Isreal was planned long before the day of partition

The arab governments has professional armies trained by crack british, french and german officers and advisors

They thought the war against the rag-tag IDF would be easy and short

 

Thats also about how many wars the arabs have lost to the Jews

But the arabs will never learn and never quit

 

Exactly, which is why I added How effing stupid is that.

 

800000 to 1000000 Jews were expelled from Arab countries - the Jewish Nakba.
The story of 200000 Bedouins is another brick from the "Palestinian" wall of lies propaganda.

 

No it has been well debated on this forum and the no is correct, though now I get thinking may even be too low. I think the accepted number is probably around 300,000 You have a dreadful problem with projecting MGB.

They also were not Bedouin and as you now the number of Palestinians ethnically cleansed in both 48 and 67 is well over one million.

 

The zionists would have encountered "war" everywhere they chose to settle with such aggressivity, violence and segregation. Especially in the United States.

 

Well worth the $0.02, this one, I must admit.

Option one: Impossible. I give an independant Palestine maybe 1 month before the zionists somehow enters war with it, taking the slightest offense as casus belli or creating one of their own (with a false-flag terror attempt or giving undercover support to Palestinians extremists like they did with Hamas).

That option might still be possible if a large UN blue helmet contingent occupies the place, like, forever. Justice will not be done, since no displaced/abused Palestinian will be compensated. Just expect lots of troubles as the two entities will constantly try to get at one another's throat.

Second option is more interesting, but it is only viable if Israel forsakes its status as a Jewish nation, since Arabs will now outnumber them and have the majority, in any normal democracy (as you wrote).

IMO, the utopiest outcome would look like a Semitic confederation, with Muslim and Jewish provinces having a lot of decentralised power (everything but borders, army and courts). It's capital would be of course in Jerusalem, where jews could have a Vatican-like religious micro-state (why, the Vatican itself would have more business being in Jerusalem, too). All those displaced and/or abused, jews like arabs, would be compensated by the new state who would extend protection and justice to all of its citizens.

 

Jeeeeesus Mighty Christ!!! Why not 5 millions?

 

Jee alexa... the nonsense you're spewing when you think no one is looking... so now, Moslem armies attacked Israel because Jews were ethnic cleansing Moslems... AND CHRISTIANS?

 

Right. What' make the UN fair? Are yes... 5 permanents members must relinquish their veto powers and resign; new permanent members should be Iran, Yemen, Sudan, Libya and, of course, Palestinian (state?)

Seriously, if only USA weren't there to support Israel... there be peace in the World!

 

It’s better for those 5 members to be able to block something at U.N. instead of going to war with one another. I used to think U.N. should be abolished, but it seems to me it’s a necessary evil.

 

Pakistan is not a member of the Arab League.

 

because unlike yourself I am honest. It will have been more than a million. At least 750,000 in 48 and I think about 400,000 in 67 something Jews themselves were scunered at having to do.

 

It can't work any more now that the US is openly using bribery. I would have agreed with you before that. I do still think there should be one but it needs to be changed. I believe the 5 permanent privileges also should go.

 

I did not say they should be replaced. That is your fixed mind that believes that something which is not democratic and which is stopping the UN from working in a functional way should be resolved by keeping it undemocratic but giving the advantage to someone else. You ought to go for classes in basic democracy - not that I think you agree with democracy but just so you know.

 

Post reported.

 

sounds like Holocaust denial.

 

No. Sounds like sarcasm, which is what my post was.

 

What I said is all true. All this has been debated and researched on this forum more than once.

You either have zero knowledge of it or you are deliberately baiting and it was not just Muslims. It was Muslims and Christians. There are plenty of Christian Palestinians who were also expelled in 48 and 67 although it is true that one Zionist in particular chose not to obey the orders on ethnic cleansing of Christians.

I notice you have changed from spelling of Muslims to Moslems they way I was reading the other day the alt right had told people to spell it.

 

For what? Because he was wrong to believe a Muslim nation was a democracy? Muslims don't have democracies. The closest was Turkey and it's become a....wait for it....turkey.