Palestinian Sheikh : We Need a Caliph with His Finger on a Nuclear Button, Like Kim Jong-un

Hamas did a massive change of their Charter in 2017 including removing the antisemetic bits and this was by no means the first time they had said they would accept Palestine along 67 lines which they did.

Oh thanks, I had not found Middle East Eye at that time so had not seen the original.

They also say

OK so they are saying they will accept a state on the 67 borders. That bit should create no problem. You may wonder why they will not acknowledge an Israeli State, They made this clear when they were dealing with ex MI6 Alistair Crooke that the reason for their position here was that they would not recognise any Israeli State while Israel did not recognise any Palestinian State.

Hamas has to take this position and genuine negotiations would need to include Palestinians who are living outside Palestine. Abbas has to acknowledge this as well. They are finished if they do not. However what is decided may be a completely different situation and would depend on negotiations. I know the EU got the Israeli/Palestinian Journal to do a round table on this in 2009. What they came up with was first that Israel had to get honest. She had to admit what she had done. That was essential for their psychological healing. Then every single one of them had to be given Palestinian Citizenship. That again was essential for psychological healing. After that although many would want to go and visit and maybe stay for a while the number who would actually want to return to stay would be much smaller. They saw this being done through negotiations with all Arab countries where they stay and something being worked out so that those who wanted to stay probably could and they saw the return of the rest as being much smaller. The number who thought they would actually want to live in Israel was small. They also saw the return taking several years. That of course was 9 years ago.

Without coming to an agreement about the Refugees there would be no agreement. As far as I know Israel has always refused to discuss. Now as far Hamas's position in their new Charter, they have made clear that they will accept an agreement which is accepted by a democratic vote of their people regardless of whether that is what is in their Charter or not.

Israel has had no need for compromise as with the help of the US she has become one of the most fierce militaries in the world and with the approval of the US is allowed to mow the lawn of the Palestinians every couple of years or so. Gaza is not fit for humans to live in after the last reducing to rubble. Most of it has still not been rebuilt, people die as they only have electricity three hours a day and their water is frequently undrinkable due to the issues with electricity.

Now you can say Israel will not discuss but that is simply saying that Israel does not want to discuss. Israel does not want to find a way where they can live happily together because Israel believes she can live happily either with a few of them left in little bantustans for ever with her mowing the lawn ever few years or possibly get them out into the Sinai Desert. Israel has been intending on Greater Israel since before there was Israel and her ethnic cleansing of these people's ancestors was part of that. Ethnic Cleansing is a Crime against Humanity as is Apartheid which is why pro Israelis try to pretend that is not what she is up to.

In reality I believe and have done for several years that there is no possibility left of a two state solution. For a long time that was the only hope Israel had of maintaining a Jewish state. Now eventually it will be a one State solution. The people of the area have waited hundreds of years to take it back and Hamas tells you that if necessary they will do the same again, them or their ancestors temporary cleansed from it if Israel does a genocide on the Palestinians who are currently still there.

 

I have no fixation on Germany so you were being dishonest.

 

Well he's right, if you break this down... at the heart of the issue is leverage, the Palestinians have none. Trump just told them to make peace or lose all their aid, while he dictates all the terms (removing Jerusalem out of the equation). Certainly the last thing I want is a terrorist with his finger on a red button but Trump is giving them no choice, pursuing violence is the only leverage they have.

 

I did not say you have.

 

And just how far do you think, violence will get Palestinians?

If history of the past 70 years is any indication...

 

The 1967 border was a truce line up until the Six Day War in 1967. Obviously the truce didn't hold. Why should Israel agree to go back to those lines after what has happened since they were established?

 

Arabs hope, by whining they will get from Israel, what they can't get by force.

 

Earth to 'jacket: Palestinians are white people.

 

Yeah, like fifty years ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

 

There are 6m Jews in Israel, 70% of whom were born there. They aren't going anywhere.

 

FAKE NEWS ALERT!

 

Most of them are 2nd generation immigrants. They can all go back.

 

"Finished?" How? Who would represent these refugee Palestinians and would they have a veto ovet any agreement?

Who gets Palestinian citizenship should be a Palestinian decision, no?

Why? The Palestinians can decide who they invite to their territory.

 

They aren't going back. Give your head a shake.

 

Well let's see... protests and riots... not very far at all... but a red button... seem to have worked for Kim Jong Un.

 

The Jews tried this for like +65 years and nobody agrees with their ethnic cleansing ways.
The vast majority of the world recognizes Palestine against all the lobby work from Israel, the US and the Jewish community.
That, and the ongoing terrorist attacks against a militarized society who votes in ethnic cleansing governments.
Heck,.. Jews world wide have a much higher risk of being attacked because of this.

So how this master plan is working out.... I dunno. Maybe give your own head a shake?

 

not at all, not anymore then I am trump says crash stuff about nukes all the time

if they try to get a nuke though, Israel will wipe them off the map and they know it, so sure is all just crazy talk

 

the religions just need to get along, both of them, but your right, trying to set up a Jewish state there was probably not smart, I wish they would of set it up here in the USA instead, but of course there was religious reasons for picking that location, they want to fulfill a prophecy, Evangelical Christians believe they need to be there to bring about the end times

 

What do you think Oslo was about? The Palestinians agreed at Oslo that they would accept only 22% of their historic homeland and acknowledge Israel with 78%. Israel agreed. Wow how people like to change history.

 

You clearly do not believe the Palestinians are human beings if you believe this is what they should be subjected to for over 50 years.



But then Zionism was a colonial enterprise so it is foolish to expect its supporters to believe that Palestinians not of course being 'white' are human beings equal to white. Who could possibly imagine a sub human Palestinian being white?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ether-ahed-tamimi-s-family-was-real-1.5762887

I mean my god if Palestinians were considered white then maybe the West would no longer think they were subhuman and what would happen then? When people identify with people they tend to have empathy for them and if that happened, if people in the West started seeing the Palestinians as human beings .........

 

Oslo was just an agreement to negotiate based on mutual acceptance of each others right to exist. Arafat agreed to it but you can't say Palestinians agreed. Hamas certainly didn't and they are in power now. Who is trying to change history? You?

 

Nope you are. This is the proposal Israel has been pretending to negotiate for 25 years. What on earth do you mean Hamas is in power now? There is a unity Government and Abbas is in control. You clearly do not know much about the situation and are just making things up as you go along.

In any case as far as Hamas being able to accept Oslo, being able to accept Israel, I have already said what their position was. That was being sorted out by the man the EU appointed for conflict resolution when they were still being honourable to their position as one of the quartet. Hamas said its reason for not accepting the Israeli State was because Israel had never recognised the Palestinian State. Proper negotiations would have resolved that....big problem so changes were made to stop that happening.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness

Hamas's reason for not going along with the two state solution initially however was correct. They believed Israel never intended a two state solution.

 

Actually, there have been more than a few times some faction produces a dramatic bit of film. Are they actors was a legit INTELL question to ask.

I'm saying that there are alternative explanations to your "racial" spin. I am well aware of the virulent ethnic bigotry that exists within the Israeli power structure.

What's happening to the palestinian people is horrible. Its been horrible since al nakba. They have been mistreated and abused not just by the Israelis, but by their arab muslim brethren as well, AND Arafat, that murderous thieving genius, literally waged war with the lebanese and the jordanians and stole billions from his own people, while he took complete command of the PLO and sole representative. He gave the people what little respect the plight would allow. But in the end he didn't serve the people well.

REmember the palestinian renaissance before the first intifada? I do and I was oh, so hopeful back then. Prosperity breeds respect and optimism in every nation.

And now the unthinkable has happened and the jew's claim to jerusalem has been validated. An american embassy. Yet another loss for absolutely no return and now the American Idiot is abandoning its humanitarian support. Just intensifies the hate and injustice in too many palestinians. But after all the rhetoric is done, what the palestinians have to ask themselves WTF are we going to do?

Perhaps the devout Muslim Palestinians should view Jerusalem as the site of the return of Isa, so mahdi may prevail as it is foretold by the prophet (mpbh). afterall, it could be that peace provides the real gift of allah, the true realization that all are god's children. Peace instead of hate might be a good trade off. Jus' sayin'