Part 8 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

a taxonomic family of primates

 

Mr. Mitt,

Its good that you support the scriptures and defend the archaic understanding of what Genesis means, but you stick to interpretations which were just wrong back then, in the Middle Ages.

Man came from the womb a an ape when, by an Act-of-God, two of the normal 24 Ape chromosomes in the fertilized ovum fused together, creating Man from the dust of that chemistry a new creature, with only 23 chromosomes ever thereafter.


We can see this in microscope, so why don't you attack these Bible Bashers who ignore this too, and focus on using your erroneous interpretations to strike at God and religion and the Bible??????

 

While very complicated to some, one thing is pretty clear.
Man didn't just pop up out of the ground 6-10k yrs ago.

 

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You still can't grasp the point I am making. Humans are among the 'sub species' which are called great apes.

Read it again.

he Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɨdiː/; also known as great apes[notes 1]) f[COLOR="#0000F) form a taxonomic family of primates, including four extant genera:

chimpanzees (Pan) – 2 species
gorillas (Gorilla) – 2 species
humans (Homo) – 1 species
orangutans (Pongo) – 2 species.[1][/COLOR]

 

Man for sure are not apes or chimpanzees either.

 

I have not seen 1 person ever say man is an ape or chimpanzee.
Have you?

 

Have you heard they share a common ancestor?

 

I have. I say it. Man IS a part of the ape family.

 

I have. And it seems plausible.

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That is not what he said. He said man are not apes or chimpanzees. Not whether they are from a same family/group.
I agree. We are not apes or chimpanzees, we maybe from a same group.

 

That doesn't make us descendants of apes.

 

I understand you humans are sub species from the Great Ape and for sure humans are different and not group with the chimps, right.
But you keep ignoring the the question who or what is this Great Ape? Do scientist have concrete evidence of this Great Ape or is it all base on a theory?
Also do you agree then that the diagrams that they kept showing out there that humans evolved from chimpanzee is wrong and false advertisement or disinformation?

So maybe you have an honest answer who or what is this Great Ape is it for real or just a theory and if it is a theory then what is the history behind the use of that term "Great Ape" why not Great Primate, Great Hominidae why Great Ape?

 

Right now you have assumptions based on similarities of physical structures. And you have DNA proving we're unique. I think the most plausible thing to believe right now is that we're uniquely human.

 

The taxonomic group that humans, chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans belong to is called Hominidae. This taxonomic family is often called the Great Ape family. So, yes, we are apes, just as we are primates. mammals, and animals.

 

Then that makes gorillas humans.

 

Well, it kind of does. The species that we descended from, and when I say we I mean the entire Hominidae family, would likely be considered apart of the Hominidae family as well.

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How does that make gorillas humans? Are foxes also dogs because they belong to the Canidae family? No, of course not.

 

Ugh. Just admit there's no proof we're descendants of apes, that there is no evidence whatsoever that says human beings evolved. That is an assumption based on 1) the idea that evolution doesn't discriminate, that we're susceptible to change just like other species, and 2) physical features of hominid fossils resemble humans. We don't need fossils to look at other primates and see some resemblances. That doesn't prove anything other than we resemble them now and in the past.

Playing the shell game with biological classifications and scientific definitions doesn't change the fact that many people believe in a falsehood - that there's proof we descended from apes.

 

There you go now we are starting to understand each other.
The theory is that humans belong to the same group with the chimps, gorillas etc.
chimpanzees (Pan) – 2 species
gorillas (Gorilla) – 2 species
humans (Homo) – 1 species
orangutans (Pongo) – 2 species.
But we are distinctly different that is why modern scientist have group humans separate from chimps.
Now, with the common ancestor they theorize all these groups are from this Great Ape so the question now is who is this Great Ape?
My analysis this Great Ape is like the Queen Bee, she lay thousands of eggs. That sometime billion of years ago this Great Ape lay thousands of eggs or gave birth to thousands of babies with each babies having their own uniqueness different from one another that later on evolved what we now know as gorillas, chimps, baboons, ect. and probably humans but then the unintelligent human that came from this Great Ape will be chosen by God to become God's care taker of this universe so God then instill the soul a human soul that gave rise to human intelligence. It is this human intelligence that science are stumped they do not know and yet they somehow were able to come up with this theory about the Great Ape?

Scientist are able to explain and present sophisticated discoveries such as the quark particle, the evolution of man that they are able to stretch it million of years back but they can not explain or accept the simple existence of the human soul. Why?, because are they afraid of God? Are they afraid that there exist a soul and if it exist this mean humans did not evolved from this Great Ape which would mean there is no such thing as a Great Ape? Maybe to the chimps, gorillas, baboons there is this Great ape that they all originated from but not humans.

Why scientist so far have not say too much about chimps evolving from gorillas or gorillas from chimps why is it always about humans evolving from chimps?

 

No one wants to address the question of why chimpanzees are still chimpanzees.

 

Getting frustrated doesn't mean that you can just throw out there that no evidence exists. Of course there is, do you think that scientists are just making up this stuff based on whimsy?

Neither of these are assumptions, they are conclusions.

Except we aren't just looking at other primates and determining that we are related, we are looking at extinct creatures and making these conclusions based on comparative morphology.

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What else would they be?

 

Or magically appeared out of the dust?

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No, stop right there.

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut on pg. 63 #626 of Part 3 in response to my post

Regardless, though. God's justice is fair and righteous. He has made it abundantly clear as written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible of what He will do concerning the eternal fate of the believers and non-believers. (Post by Mitt Ryan)

Gotcha, so murderers who believe in Jesus get eternal bliss, nonbelievers who work for social justice get eternal torment. Yes, justice is certainly served there. :V (Post by Akhlut in response to my post above)
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No, I don't think you got it entirely. Let me explain as thoroughly as I can be so we all can understand the justice of our loving, caring, just, righteous Almighty God!

First point I want to make is that we are all sinners, regardless if one is a believer or a non-believer. (excluding babies and children who are not of cupable/accountable age)

Second point, sinners can be murderers, thieves, liars, adulterers/ess, sexual deviates, any sin that is a transgression to God.

Third point, the Lord will forgive any sinner who is a believer, who confesses and ask for forgiveness of their sins and accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior.

Fourth point, the only sinner the Lord will not forgive is the sinner who is a non-believer, for they will not do as I described in the third point simply because they don't believe God exist.

So now let us go back to your statement you've made and fill in some explanations.

so murderers (who are sinners ) who believe in Jesus get eternal bliss, (because they did what is described in the third point) non-believers (who are sinners, who could be murderers or sexual deviates, or any other sinner that is decribed in second point) who work for social justice get eternal torment. (as described in the fourth point the Lord will not forgive them because they will not do as described in the third point)

Now as one can see your original statement is obviously misleading making it appear as though God's justice is unfair but when I break it down as I have one can see that it is indeed true that God's justice is justly and fairly served.

Note: The punishment for the non-believer is eternal because they will be forever separated from God. It was their choice, because of their disbelief in Almighty God!

 

Speaking of magically appearing, how do explain the Cambrian fossil record?

 

I assume you're referring to the Cambrian explosion. First, do you know that the Cambrian explosion was a period of around 70-80 million years? Not exactly a "magically appearing" timeframe.

 

The rate of evolution would've been five times faster than what is observed today. Yes, I'm familiar with it, or I wouldn't have asked.