Dismiss Notice
Thanks for being a member of our community. Please donate toward site expenses if you can.

Pentagon reverses itself, calls deadly Kabul strike an error

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by hawgsalot, Sep 17, 2021.

Page 1 of 5
  1. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    10,633
    Likes Received:
    9,703
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    hawgsalot, Sep 17, 2021
    #1
    Eleuthera, Matthewthf, US Conservative and 4 others like this.
  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,316
    Likes Received:
    39,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think we have known this for several days now, did it take them this long to come up with a cover story? Who is being disciplined for the mistake, I missed part of the Generals statement or is this another "we need to just move on" or "we just need to focus going forward" government BS thingy.

    And Biden says we can successfully carry out such strikes from thousands of miles away "over the horizon".
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
    #2
    Eleuthera, Matthewthf, US Conservative and 3 others like this.
  3. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    13,614
    Likes Received:
    17,422
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Biden's fault.
     
    Arkanis, Sep 17, 2021
    #3
  4. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    10,633
    Likes Received:
    9,703
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You're damn right if he had gotten the Americans out before he had the military sneak out we wouldn't have had to immediately go back and this innocent and his family working for us wouldn't have happened.
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    hawgsalot, Sep 17, 2021
    #4
    HB Surfer, Matthewthf, US Conservative and 3 others like this.
  5. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    10,633
    Likes Received:
    9,703
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ohh just move on we had intelligence there was a white toyota going to bomb us so we bombed a white toyota that was driving around. Milley called this righteous and Biden was bragging he stopped an attack lol.
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    hawgsalot, Sep 17, 2021
    #5
    HB Surfer, Matthewthf, US Conservative and 1 other person like this.
  6. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,316
    Likes Received:
    39,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    "Army Maj. Gen. William Taylor said at the time of the strike that there were no known civilian casualties. Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said that the U.S. did not notify nor coordinate with the Taliban ahead of the strike. He added that the Defense Department did not notify other countries in the region nor U.S. lawmakers."
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/us-...s-including-seven-children-pentagon-says.html

    WAIT A MINUTE..........we are being told that the Taliban is now very business like and great to work with and we have the highest confidences, that Biden allowed them to take Kabul and secure the city and how we had coordinated with them and our perimeter and everything was great.

    Now they say they did not coordinate this strike with them, the security they were relying on, or even notify them.
     
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
    #6
    HB Surfer, Matthewthf, US Conservative and 1 other person like this.
  7. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    48,689
    Likes Received:
    32,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It was a MISTAKE.

    Nobody wants "collateral damage" but, sometimes things happen.

    At least they owned it (and admitted the mistake):

    "This strike was taken in the earnest belief that it would prevent an imminent threat to our forces and the evacuees at the airport, but it was a mistake and I offer my sincere apology," he said.
    McKenzie added that he is "fully responsible for this strike and this tragic outcome."

    As opposed to the Coverups that defined Trump's term:

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...ps-trump-says-i-dont-do-cover-ups-msna1233811
     
    Andrew Jackson, Sep 17, 2021
    #7
    WalterSobchak and ChiCowboy like this.
  8. Darth Gravus

    Darth Gravus Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2021
    Messages:
    10,715
    Likes Received:
    8,017
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Glad to see they had the integrity to admit they were wrong. That is rare these days
     
    Darth Gravus, Sep 17, 2021
    #8
    Pants, WalterSobchak, Eleuthera and 4 others like this.
  9. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2021
    Messages:
    6,324
    Likes Received:
    5,009
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bad title. 10 innocent people were murdered by Biden and his cronies to divert attention away from his failings. At least someone slipped up and admitted the truth for a change.

    For those of you on the left and right that believed what the fake news and the US government told you two weeks ago....let this be a lesson. They lie, that's all they do.
     
    Bill Carson, Sep 17, 2021
    #9
    Matthewthf, US Conservative, Steve N and 1 other person like this.
  10. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,316
    Likes Received:
    39,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So will Milley recommend to the President the firing of those whose intelligence assessments were so wrong and those who tried to create the multiple explosion coverup story?
     
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
    #10
    Matthewthf and AmericanNationalist like this.
  11. Capt Nice

    Capt Nice Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    9,998
    Likes Received:
    10,217
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The right is acting like this was the first 'friendly fire' incident to ever happen. They should also be reminded that this was not by Biden but rather someone in the Biden administration.
     
    Capt Nice, Sep 17, 2021
    #11
    Pants, WalterSobchak and Quantum Nerd like this.
  12. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,316
    Likes Received:
    39,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    OH LOOK AT THE SQUIRREL........................TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP !!!!!!!

    Well at least it took a total of seven post before the derail attempts, that may be a record.
     
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
    #12
    the breeze, Matthewthf, Steve N and 1 other person like this.
  13. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    48,689
    Likes Received:
    32,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly.

    Collateral Damage and Friendly Fire are one of (among the many) tragic consequences of military action.
     
    Andrew Jackson, Sep 17, 2021
    #13
  14. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2021
    Messages:
    6,324
    Likes Received:
    5,009
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Proof a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut.
     
    Bill Carson, Sep 17, 2021
    #14
  15. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,316
    Likes Received:
    39,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And the left is acting as usual trying to divert and excuse. It was HIS plan, it is HIS assertion that he could effectively conduct such attacks "over the horizon". Who gave the final OK on this, was Biden informed before the strike and gave his OK? If so what was he told and by whom? Did anyone at the WH tell the military they needed a strike find one, give us a target we can hit in some retribution?
     
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
    #15
    Matthewthf and Robert like this.
  16. Tipper101

    Tipper101 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    6,147
    Likes Received:
    3,250
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And now we are going to pay compensation to the families. And we are going to pay to help the Afghan population not starve. And we are going to pay whatever we agreed to pay for the Taliban to let our evacuation happen.

    And with Afghanistan now in control of terrorists we are going to pay in American lives from all the terrorism they are going to export around the globe.

    …wasnt the whole damn point of this to stop dying and spending money??

    epic epic fail
     
    Tipper101, Sep 17, 2021
    #16
    Steve N likes this.
  17. Darth Gravus

    Darth Gravus Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2021
    Messages:
    10,715
    Likes Received:
    8,017
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    yep, first time it has ever happened in the history of the country
     
    Darth Gravus, Sep 17, 2021
    #17
    Quantum Nerd and bx4 like this.
  18. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,316
    Likes Received:
    39,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And officers who negligently order such attacks are subject to courts martial.

    Friendly Fire” Pilot Loses Appeal

    Less than two weeks after Maj. Harry Schmidt was found guilty of dereliction of duty, the Air National Guardsman lost his appeal to set aside the punishment imposed. Schmidt faces a letter of reprimand and a fine of $5,672—the maximum allowed under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The saga began April 17, 2002, when Schmidt, an Illinois Guardsman flying an F-16, mistakenly bombed Canadian troops participating in night exercises in the Tarnak Farms area of Afghanistan. Four Canadians were killed and eight injured. Gen. (sel.) Bruce Carlson, commander of 8th Air Force at Barksdale AFB, La., was the presiding authority for Schmidt’s nonjudicial hearing. (See “Aerospace World: ANG Pilot Found Guilty of Dereliction,” August, p. 13.) Schmidt immediately appealed to Carlson to set aside the punishment meted out July 6, but Carlson denied his request. Under Article 15 of the UCMJ, the appeal was sent to the next superior authority, which, in this case, was Gen. Hal M. Hornburg, commander of Air Combat Command. Hornburg, Schmidt’s last recourse, denied the appeal on Aug. 3.
    https://www.airforcemag.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Reports/2006/April/Day11/AFM_Schmidt.pdf

    Will anyone be held accountable for this even worse case?
     
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
    #18
    AmericanNationalist likes this.
  19. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,316
    Likes Received:
    39,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    OH, well THAT makes it OK then.

    Why are you trying to mitigate what happened here?
     
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
    #19
    Matthewthf likes this.
  20. 21Bronco

    21Bronco Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2020
    Messages:
    15,623
    Likes Received:
    9,299
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes, you have the right answer.
     
    21Bronco, Sep 17, 2021
    #20
    Matthewthf likes this.
  21. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    13,614
    Likes Received:
    17,422
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't think it's Biden's fault at all.

    I just wanted to catch you off guard.

    On the other hand, the drone operator who pushed the button and the officer who ordered him to do so must have a lot of trouble sleeping.
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    Arkanis, Sep 17, 2021
    #21
    ChiCowboy likes this.
  22. 21Bronco

    21Bronco Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2020
    Messages:
    15,623
    Likes Received:
    9,299
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So skin color dictates value of life to you? Figures.
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    21Bronco, Sep 17, 2021
    #22
    mngam, Matthewthf, US Conservative and 1 other person like this.
  23. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,316
    Likes Received:
    39,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Admitting is easy and in this case unavoidable too much outside evidence which had already proved despite previous statements by the government that the strike killed innocent people including children and the target was NOT a terrorist but and ALLY, who will have the integrity to hold people to the consequences for their actions?
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
    #23
    Matthewthf, US Conservative and 21Bronco like this.
  24. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    48,689
    Likes Received:
    32,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Outside of a Court Martial (and Death Penalty) for Gen. McKenzie?

    You got me on that one. I'm stumped.:salute:
     
    Andrew Jackson, Sep 17, 2021
    #24
  25. Darth Gravus

    Darth Gravus Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2021
    Messages:
    10,715
    Likes Received:
    8,017
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    come on, do not pretend you actually care about these people now.

    were you not just the one that said they should not be allowed to be brought to the US the other day?
     
    Darth Gravus, Sep 17, 2021
    #25
Page 1 of 5

Share This Page