A bum? it's a travesty he's not in... Who cared if he gambled - it was proven as FACT he never gambled on the games he was involved in... He just gambled - that's all... Had he thrown games, that would be a different story... The guy didn't cheat his way into records like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire etc... Millions of people gamble, are they all "bums"?..... Hell, Jose Canseco was gambling when his finger fell off lol...
One rule, that's all he had to follow. Just one, and he failed. He is a bum, and if staying in baseball was that important. He would have not gambled then lied about it for years. Oh, he will get in the hall. Years after he is dead. As it should be.
the HOF is a joke to ban Rose but let Cobb in especially with those facts you posted.If Rose is banned then Cobb should be as well without question.anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. that post of yours puts to rest that Cobb was a criminal. There is this other site I post at that puts it to rest as well that he was a criminal, that he intentionally tried to hurt people sliding in with his spikes at the second baseman. It shows him diving into him with his leg stretched out spikes up in the air the same way a martial arts expert would karate kick someone in the stomach.It shows his leg extended hitting the second basemans stomach injuring him. The HOF is a shame and a disgrace allowing someone who purposely committed assault on players as well as that fan to be in the hall of fame. screw MLB HOF. here is what i have to say to the baseball HOF--:up_yours: Up yours and screw you HOF. Here is proof Cobb not only committed assault on the basepaths "which is criminal" but outside of baseball as well. Does anyone know who and what Ty Cobb was all about? Ty Cobb was one of the most hated people ever to play baseball because he was such an SOB. He was so hated, that when another player beat him for a hitting title one year, the teamates of Ty Cobb wrote the chap a letter to thank him. But that is not why I'm writing this. Ty Cob was actually banned from baseball like Pete Rose is today. In fact, he was the first player banned from the game because he nearly beat to death a fan who was in a wheel chair, no less, for calling him a half negro. For you see, Ty Cobb was a dispicable racist who, by all rights, should have killed the man he attacked. Thankfully, for Ty Cobb, at that time most were ardent racists as well, and as such, defended Ty Cobbs honor by insisting he be reinstated. The pressure and racism was enough to reinstate him and now is a shining example in the Hall of Fame of what we should be proud of in MLB. MLB can take the HOF and shove it up their arse. Pete Rose did nothing remotely similar to deserve such a ban. well said. that was a post of someone else I know not mine. this link here shows how Cobb INTENTIONALLY tried to hurt people.thats assault. they let this criminal Cobb in and havent banned Mcguire,Bonds,or Clemons or Cobb. It indeed is a travesty of justice.the MLB is a disgrace and the hall of SHAME for it,anyone who thinks other wise is an idiot.
First, let me address the Cobb matter: There is no question that Cobb was a hard core racist who beat up innocent black men for sport because he was an SOB. But history shows that he repented. He invested his money very well and donated large sums of money to several colleges, some of which benefited black students. Further, he was an excellent golfer who played at charitable golfing events to raise funds for non profit institutions. Again, some of these monies benefited poor blacks. Second, re Rose: I suggest that the public should be allowed to vote as to whether he should be reinstated. After all, it's their game.
Doesnt matter what Cobb did later on.He committed criminal actions at one and should be punished for it.If I go out and commit premeditated murder,it doesnt matter all the good things i did in the past before that,Im going to go to jail.Cobb should be held to the same law as I am held to. Plus diving into someone with your spikes into their stomach intentionally is worse than anything Rose ever did.
the hall of shame is also a joke because mark mcguire and barry bonds compromised the integrity of it by doing steriods but guess what? THEY are allowed to be in the game still.Bonds is the hitting coach for the Giants and Mcguire is the bench coach for the Cardinals yet Rose is not allowed to be part of the game as they are.the hall of shame is indeed that and to let those two guys who hurt and compromised the integrity of the game be being allowed to still be part of it but deny Rose the same opportunity,just proves the hypocrisy of MLB baseball and what a disgrace they are. that is something nobody can get around. If Bonds and Mcguire are allowed to still be a part of the game,then so should Rose.that ends it all.end of discussion.period.
Let bygones be bygones. Mercy should be bestowed on Pete Rose and he should be admitted to the Hall of Fame.
Cap Anson also played rough and tumble baseball and was a hard core racist. But he did not repent and is in the Hall of Fame as is Cobb who repented.
I cant believe how even though the Rams coming back to LA is the sports story ever in the last century of sports and you dont care to follow it since like i said,its only the biggest sports story ever in the century of sports.I get it your not a Rams fan but the biggest sports story of the century and you dont want to follow it?
Sports writers, for the most part...hate him (Pete Rose). He would need to get past the gauntlent to ever make it in the baseball HOF. For that to happen, they'll have to die off and a new generation, that is more lenient, to replace them.
Personally, I think Serena Williams's revelation that she wishes she could be a synchronized swimmer is of more significance.
He's not on the ballot. I think he got off too lightly. In baseball, Pete Rose should be a nonperson: all records expunged, no mention of him in any broadcast, and he should be prohibited from ever entering any MLB stadium under any circumstances.
like i said,the biggest story of the century and you have no interest.INCREDIBLE is just one of the few words in over a dozen i can that of to describe that.
well when the next biggest story of the century in sports breaks out,I know you will be looking the other way again. if you dont care about the biggest sports story of the century,then you might as well never watch NFL football ever again then.same as all the other NFL fans here that have no interest in it.
funny - if it was the most important thing in the world, the sports media would be all over it let's just stay on topic, ok?
Better reread the report. Pete Rose accepted a lifetime ban from Major League Baseball so the fact that he gambled against his own team as Manager of the Reds, wouldn't be made public. What part of lifetime ban don't you understand? Spitballs; shine balls; greasers; corked bats; steroids - all forms of cheating - but cheating to gain an advantage to WIN ballgames and set records not deliberately LOSE games when you controlled your team and cities baseball fortunes as the manager. Huge difference among the steroid users like McGuire, Sosa and Bonds, and the cheating Pete Rose conducted in throwing games to Reds opponents, better on the outcome he knew would occur, and getting caught at it, and not wanting that part of his sleazy background revealed. Pete Rose invalidated his baseball playing career by his corrupt managerial career, hurting baseball for all time. Lifetime bans? Started in 1920 with the Chicago Black Sox, and to this day, the best baseball player in history, statistically, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson, who accepted the money from the gamblers, but didn't alter his play in the 1919 World Series, is banned, long after his death. So it will be with Pete Rose, and rightly so. Ya can't let Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame or reinstate him, without reinstating, posthumously, Joe Jackson and the other seven banned Chicago White Sox players from 1919............
What about Roger Maris being left out. Only player in MLB history with two MVP awards, and the single season Home Run title, and they didn't put him in, although he was also a stellar RF and 1B with the Yankees and Cardinals. Hit more HR's in his time with the Yankees than Mickey Mantle, played in, as a starter, seven World Series.
Than how does one rectify the records? Who were the World Series champions from the National League when Pete Rose managed the Cincinnati Reds. I know the Dodgers took 15 or 18 one season from Cincinnati - that's pretty unusual by any standard - so who was Rose starting pitcher (that was his signal to the gamblers that the fix was in, because particular pitchers, like Pedro Borbone, couldn't beat the Dodgers). Based on Rose's throwing games to the Dodgers, do we take away their National League championship that particular year and declare no winner and no World Series champion? Forgiving Pete Rose requires a readjustment of almost every game the Cincinnati Reds played in and lost, and every game the Cincinnati Reds opponents played against them with Rose as manager, and won. You can't sweep it under the carpet - that's why it is a lifetime ban, and that is the end of the story..........
I agree with a lot of what you say, but Major League Baseball can't prevent Pete Rose, or anybody else for that matter, from purchasing a ticket, and attending a baseball game in any stadium in America. What can't be done, is him having any representation as a professional player, or recognition or special treatment, just a regular fan attending the game, and treated as such. Anything relating the MLB, Pete Rose is prohibited from attending, or being a part of. They made a mistake letting him come back at the All Star Game in Cincinnati on a fans poll of the four players they would want to see on the field. As for 9/11 Inside Job's obsession with the Rams? Probably wasn't around for the 1980 U.S. Olympic Hockey team gold medal run; Roger Maris' assault on Babe Ruth's single season home run record; Gayle Sayers six touchdown game before his knees were destroyed as a Chicago Bear. O.J. Simpson breaking the 2000 yard in one season NFL rushing barrier; Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game against the Knicks in Hershey, Pa; Michael Jordan's six NBA titles; the Miami Dolphins 17-0 NFL season, or Joe Willie Namath's 1967 Super Bowl win over the 17-point favorite Baltimore Colts. LA Rams never one a title there - their only titles came as the St.Louis Rams. But 9/11 - well - too much Red Bull or coffee, and too little sports knowledge..............
I pretty much know now WHY nobody is interested in the biggest sports story of the century here at PF. someone else explained it to me very well here recently,the fact this is a political site is is why they just have a ho hum okay whatever mindset obviously no doubt.you go to a sports site,you go to any sports site and there is talk about this constantly everyday,they probably live in breath sports im sure.well now i know the answer thanks to someone else's input when i brought that up on another thread.
Of course it is a political forum, and political discussion and opinions dominate it. But, there also is a place for sports - and anybody who wants to discuss sports, can post to it. I also post into Creative Corner, some nice poems, stuff like that, and find that although lots of the members review it, few comment on it. Up to them, we have a lot of intelligent poster's here, surprises me not many seem to be interested in books or poetry, but to each their own. Surprised it took you sooooo long to discover that, you should have figured it out on your own. BTW, the most popular NFL football team in Los Angeles was never the LA Rams or the LA Raiders, it always was the Dallas Cowboys, who have trained there since they were admitted to the league in 1961, I lived in Los Angeles, and know that to be true. As for whoever re-introduced the Pete Rose thread comments, think you should examine how the Hall Of Fame at Cooperstown, N.Y. operates. It is NOT affiliated with Major League Baseball, nor an offshoot of it. The Hall of Fame is a shrine honoring stellar players who did participate in Major League Baseball, and the voting committee is controlled by one HOF sports writer from every city which has a professional team in the American or the National League. They have offshoot agendas, the Veteran's Committee, which allows a player's name to be brought up through that forum (which is composed of seven HOF sportswriters), for 15-years. After that, it would require a rules change to add a player, ignored, who didn't get elected to the hall through regular ballot time, and than 15-years for the Veteran's Committee to vote them in, after their time on the regular ballot has expired. The Hall of Fame writing crew rotates every few years, sort of like the way the Congress goes up for election 1/3 of the total at a time, each 2-4 years. Stellar writers, broadcasters, manager's, owners, members of the old neglected Negro Leagues, can be propose as an offshoot candidate or topic, as the Women's Professional Baseball League went into the HOF with all member's who participated in the league, in its entirety, not as individual candidates. Great broadcaster's like Dave Van Horne of the Montreal Expos and Florida Marlins, and Harry Carey of the Cardinals and Cubs, are in, not with a plague on the wall, but an engraved sign underneath the last installed broadcaster. Same with writers. When you write that the Hall of Fame is a Hall of Shame, you do not understand its function. Only people who are or were members in good standing with Major League Baseball, can ever be placed on the ballot. Pete Rose is NOT a person in good standing with Major League Baseball, therefore, the Hall of Fame has nothing whatsoever to do with keeping him out of it. A special agenda proposal, changing the voting rules, would have to be passed to put in Roger Maris - "Shoeless Joe Jackson, the man with the second best statistical playing career after Ty Cobb, still, or Pete Rose, the all time hits leader." For guys like Roger Maris, who was stellar in a short playing career that didn't rack up what is generally considered HOF statistics, even though he is the only baseball player with two MVP awards never elected to the HOF, it is too late. For "Sholess Joe" and Eddie Cicotte (29-31 game winning pitcher for the White Sox back in 1918-1919 era - barred in 1920), the opportunity will never come. Same with Pete Rose, he is pretty much forgotten now, however, if the HOF changes its voting procedure to allow for him to be voted in, Major League Baseball, as an organization, FIRST must LIFT the lifetime ban for his betting on his own team - to TO LOSE - because betting on them - to win - and associating with known gamblers throughout his playing and managerial career, is only a single season ban. The Hall Of Shame, as you refer to it, has absolutely no control over whether Pete Rose is in the HOF or not, because he is not a member in good standing with Major League Baseball, the organization, and therefore can never be put on the ballot for a vote. Hundreds of Rose, Jackson, Cicocette and Maris' regalia is already in the hall, they just don't have an official plague on the wall, because they are not Hall of Fame baseball players. They forfeited that opportunity by throwing games for money, and the Veteran's Committee and the writer's, never saw fit to examine Maris' record breaking and solid accomplishments, to vote him in. No drumbeat in the sports world exists to put Pete Rose in, and even if there was, the Hall Of Fame can't put him on the ballot because Major League Baseball has already said, not only NO, but more emphatically NO WAY!
