Planned Parenthood will spend $20 million to fight Trump & elect pro-Abortion candidates

Not without government.

 

I think that women should have the same rights, but that doesn't mean forcing others to pay for abortions.

 

Yes government created that right

 

Not even aware of what the constitution does eh?

 

You have no clue what we are talking about....do you?

 

Which would be why we don't.

 

That's an oxymoron.........who else has abortions?

Abortions are legal medical procedures....

treating them differently than any other medical procedure means women do NOT have the same rights...






What other medical procedures (of others) are you forced to pay for ?

 

Abortion should be safe, legal and rare. Some people shouldn't be having babies because they are idiots. I'd like to see "voluntary sterilization" offered more in courts in lieu of jail time or reduced sentences.

 

Interesting thoughts but I disagree with " safe , legal and rare"....abortions should be safe , legal, and happen whenever a woman wants one...

Some people don't have kids because they're wise and don't want one...

 

Then why is PP against Single-Payer?

 

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Funny, in all my years involved in the abortion issue I have never met or heard a "Pro-Abortion" person.

There are Pro-Choice people who work hard to maintain rights for women that all other people have.

But NO one promoting abortion....


Then there are the Anti-Choicers who want to take away women's CHOICE, their rights.

They give themselves the silly name of "Pro-Life"...but it's only the fetuses "life" they're concerned with....once it's born they say to hell with it, cut funding to anything that supports BORN CHILDREN, like Welfare, SNAP, WIC, Medicaid, even healthy school lunches and PBS kid's educational shows!!!!!!!!!


So they are NOT "Pro-LIFE"..

I don't know...why? Give me a clue by connecting my post to single payer...

 

So you are claiming that tax money is not being used to pay for abortions?

Again, the fence post may be arguing the legality of abortion, but I am not. Tax payers should not be forced to subsidize irresponsible behavior. They have their own families to support.

 

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You: ""Tax payers should not be forced to subsidize irresponsible behavior""

Yet taxpayers support wars (Iraq, for one, irresponsibly started), and Congress, and the military, Trump's administration, and other irresponsible things...

And why is a legal medical procedure "irresponsible" ?

And who determines "irresponsible"? You?

 

You are accusing Pro-Lifers of not caring about babies after they are born because they opposed government programs that benefit children without any evidence to support it. However PP is on record of opposing single-payer in at least two states which means people will die after they are born because of inadequate health care. And while some republicans oppose the programs you mention many do, as do most pro-life democrats. I also support these programs. This a common diversion among the abortion lobby, painting pro-lifers with a broad brush. But the fact that PP is on record as opposing single-payer means they care no more about the health of the baby after they are born than the pro-lifers they are smearing.

 

the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape. About a quarter of abortions are indeed subsidized by state or federal funds regardless of why...so No I am not. Guess what...I am paying for your church through tax exemption so lets just make a deal, Church gets taxed and Abortion loses any funding whatsoever.

 

Start a thread about forcing tax payers to pay for bombs to drop on other countries and invite me to discuss the issue. Government responsibility is an oxymoron.

Back on topic here in the abortion section, responsibility is not a difficult concept to grasp. One can catch a cold because of something in the air, but pregnancy is the result of an intentional act. (One girl claimed she got pregnant because of something in the air, but it was her legs!)

Responsibility means paying for our own "Mistakes" If you have a car, you are responsible for damages you may cause. If you have a penis, the price of one fun evening may be 26 years of support payments. If you have a uterus, .. well, you know the rest.

The definition of "responsible" was determined long before I was born.

 

I am an atheist and will go along with taxing churches as long as the money they use to feed and house the less fortunate is exempt. I support a womans right to an abortion 100%.

 

So when someone needs a bone marrow transplant or a new heart or has lung cancer or needs their gall bladder removed.. they were irresponsible so should have no help unless they can pay for it all themselves... Too bad for you it doesn't work that way (..and NO women do not "decide" or "choose" to become pregnant...that is not how it works.....and consent to one act is not consent to any other act)


..and, NO, YOUR ideas of what is responsible is not everyone's and does not rule the world...


BTW, churches must be very irresponsible because everyone has to support them....

 

Taxpayers support the irresponsible behavior of smokers, drinkers, the obese.....but you draw the line at pregnant women

 

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Yes, there's plenty of evidence...Republicans want to cyut funding to WIC, SNAP, Welfare, even healthy school lunch programs and PBS...

Being against single payer does NOT mean PP doesn't care about children...why, for instance , would they give prenatal care if they didn't care about the child after it's born?

 

Abortion IS taking responsibility.

 

I'm talking about real people, not politicians. Most republicans support government programs except welfare. And what does PBS have to do with children's health?

Many PP's don't provide prenatal care. And not adopting single-payer will result in people dying. All PP cares about is abortion. Even some pro-choice people who think for themselves have been critical of PP. They don't have a divine right to my money.

 

I do love our discussions about responsibility. The way you blur the line between abortion and cancer is artful. BTW, I am on the marrow donor registry. A good friend of mine survived leukemia because of a marrow transplant.

Your statement about women not deciding to get pregnant is a real jewel. Unless you are talking about that decision being taken away by a rapist, women are not stupid and are well aware of the risks involved when they decide to do something that may result in pregnancy. (Or worse!)

Speaking of heart disease and cancer, you are actually being forced to pay for products that are known to cause disease.

 

Not if I have to pay for it!