Police: 8 dead in shooting at FedEx facility in Indianapolis

You would be incorrect. Mentally healthy people can crack under great stress! Anybody can crack under great stress!

 

And if your vote is suspended due to some crisis what can you do about it? Write a strong letter perhaps? I see you people have even banned pump shotguns. What do you use for controlling Kangaroos and such?

A nation of sheep IMHO.

 

Absolutely correct. So what’s your point? Let anyone drive a car, any age, regardless of the car’s condition, drive drunk, drugged if you want...? You seem to be saying those laws are a waste of time, because some people ignore them sometimes...you want to get rid of those laws?

 

How many times have you mentioned civil war in the last few months?

Just because many haven’t doesn’t mean many don’t have the desire to do so — and will under the right circumstances.

 

And you're saying just because SOME people misuse guns SOMETIMES, you want to restrict guns for EVERYONE? See how that works?

 

Farmers and licensed shooters are still able to possess firearms. My son-in-law is a licensed roo shooter. He must keep his weapon and his ammunition stored separately and he has to have his licence reviewed after a certain number of years (can’t remember how many). Otherwise, his shooting activity is the same as it has been before the controls were introduced. And you rarely use a shotgun to hunt kangaroos.....

 

No, no....YOU were the one who wanted to compare cars and guns, so carry through with your argument. Do you want to see vehicle laws scrapped?

 

It's really quite easy Democrats, confiscate the illegal Guns and prosecute the Criminals who have them illegally to the fullest extent of the Law and then when no more bad guys have Guns, then come talk to us legal responsible Gun owners about our 2nd Amendment rights and whether we want to freely give them up. Until we know you're actually serious about lowering the number of Gun deaths, nothings going to change.

 

Of course not. We have vehicle laws just like we have gun laws. And plenty of people ignore both....

 

Will you admit that in Australia self defense is not a permitted reason to own a firearm?

 

I can see it now. Nationwide firearm "sweeps" in every hood across the nation.

 

Correct. However, if I am licensed to own one, and if I were being attacked and believed my life was at risk, I could use that firearm to defend myself. The concept of ‘reasonable force’ applies here as it does in most Western countries....

 

As I’ve said before, I can only give evidence of our experience here. I’m nearly 68, so have experienced life before and after our gun restrictions. They haven’t created a utopia, but living here is much safer than before....

Now, I work on Saturdays and it’s time I started. Will pick this up later...

 

lol @ confiscation. That would never happen. The entire military and police forces of the United States is only roughly 1 million personnel vs 200 million gun owners. They are outnumbered 200 to 1. And of that million, probably not even half would comply with taking firearms from U.S. citizens. It would be a bloodbath on both sides....

 

How gun control works in liberal land - all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

https://www.today.com/popculture/which-celebrities-have-concealed-weapon-permits-wbna39383672

 

Well! that's better than nationwide firearm sweeps in every legal responsible gun owner homes across the nation isn't it.

 

The Feds will need to leverage State and Local police to do the dirty work. Which is why many States are passing l2nd Amendment protection laws based on the Sanctuary City laws implemented by liberal governments to protect illegals from Federal immigration laws.

 

Do you understand the difference between a privilege and a civil right? Driving a car on public roads is a privilege here and in your country. Owning a firearm is a privilege in your country. Over here it is a basic civil right. One of the original civil rights in our constitution.

Please compare rights to rights and not rights to privileges as they are completely different things with completely different meanings and can not be compared to each other without it being disingenuous. You can compare them for YOUR country as they are both privileges, but not here in the states.

 

IMHO Yes. But the libs have no intention of removing illegal guns from the hood.

 

My point exactly! So! they're going to have a YUGE! fight on their hands trying to pass this nonsense

 

No cop would volunteer to be the first one through the door. Not unless they had a deathwish...

 

I would suggest that there are many law enforcement types that are military wannabes who would love to conduct dynamic entries at any opportunity. Google the name Duncan Lemp for an example of how this will play out.

 

To say these mass shootings are a rare event in the USA is a blatant lie, they happen constantly and have for all of my 80 year life. The solution for the right is always the same MAKE IT EASIER TO BUY MORE DAMNED GUNS of every size shape and firing capacity the more the merrier. And so the slaughter continues unabated.

 

Yes, I anticipated your response but I still wanted to hear it.

The problem with looking at this issue as a side-by-side comparison is we are not including the two most important factors - mental health and recidivism. That is, what causes some people to snap and go on shooting sprees and how do we stop the revolving door into the prison system? Without addressing these two key issues, we are always going to have gun deaths.

To me, it's short-sighted to ban a specific type of weapon. The problem isn't the weapon used but the time between when a person makes the conscious decision to commit suicide and/or homicide. Their method for achieving their end result is irrelevant. For example, we could ban ALL weapons outside one's occupation that requires one. Unhinged people will start using knives. Or, will start running over people with their vehicle. Or, will get a chemistry kit and start poisoning people. And, on and on. The *problem* isn't the weapon. It's what leads some people to the brink to unleash chaos in their immediate environment.

Personally, I no longer own any guns. I gave them up when I left the police department (injured by a drunk driver). Since that time, I have been in two situations in which a gun probably would have helped. Otherwise, I was able to protect myself with hand-to-hand combat. Of course, that diminishes as one ages so I haven't ruled out the possibility of owning a gun in the future. Generally, it takes between 5-10 minutes for the police to respond to a 911 call. It doesn't sound like much but that's a long time when one's life and/or family and/or property is at risk.

I am very torn on this issue. It breaks my heart to hear of another shooting somewhere in our country. I am truly sorry for the lives lost and the ones that survived that will carry the pain of those tragic events for the rest of their lives. I would go door-to-door and take people's guns if I thought it would make a difference. The reality is criminals and would-be-criminals aren't going to turn in their weapons and those are the people from whom law-abiding citizens need to protect themselves.

 

Pretty sick would be leaving people defenseless when so many people were trying to kill others. Pretty sick is trying to blame guns instead of trying to fix the mental health problems leading to the killings. People like you pretend to be compassionate, but what it really is about is you imposing your will and point of view on others. If you don’t want a gun, that is your business. Leave those who do want them alone. If you are terrified of being shot, then I guess go isolate yourself out in the wilderness somewhere.