Police Arrest Alabama Pastor for ( No Joke) Watering Flowers

If you do not care about your 4th amendment rights, you also should not care about your 2nd amendment rights.

Them clowns flat out must also comply with the constitution.
It's time long overdue that all these bad apples can just stick around.
There were even multiple cars who arrived on the scene. That's like 5 cops?
And all of them did not know their own constitution!


The insanity.

So much of the US wanting to be nr1.

 

I was hoping that the following channel on Youtube would come out with this. And he explains it far better than I apparently did in this thread. I agree 100% with this guy. I'd suggest everyone watch this and get a better understanding.



I'd particularly like @Wild Bill Kelsoe and @notme to watch it.

 

The police were called because of suspicious personS and the caller thought they had entered the home because she could not see them now. NOT because someone was watering flowers........he was not charged with burglary or even trespassing, THAT was cleared up by the neighbor, he was charged because he hindered their investigation and tried to walk away while they were lawfully detaining him for questioning.......can't you guys get anything right?

 

From POST one article you forgot:

"I know that police arrest Black people for anything these days but this is just outrageous. A Childersburg, Ala. pastor was arrested while watering his neighbor’s flowers, according to WBRC. Per the video footage, several witnesses confirmed he was supposed to be there but the officers refused to remove his handcuffs."

and,

"The ordeal started because Jennings' neighbor, a white woman, called police to report a suspicious person. When she realizes that it was Jennings outside the home, she apologizes to him.

"He lives right there and he would be watering their flowers. This is probably my fault," she tells the three officers who responded to the scene.

Despite the woman telling police that she knows Jennings, he is still arrested.

An attorney for Jennings said his client was charged with obstructing government operations. A municipal judge dismissed the charge in June."

red bolding mine

Charges were dropped by the Judge because the police were being STUPID!!!!!!!

The police screwed it up.

 

It wasn’t a stranger to the property owner, but rather a stranger to an onlooker. If the onlooker is concerned and wants the police to find out if a crime is being committed that’s fine… but if no crime is being committed, then surely no arrest should be made.

 

He wasn't handcuffed or arrested for not supposing to be there, he was handcuffed because he attempted to walk away from the officers while they were still talking to him and refusing to cooperate and that was before the police talked to any witnesses. He was arrested for his alleged obstruction into their investigation.

Did you read the OP?

"" That’s when someone called the police on him, claiming an unfamiliar SUV was parked outside the neighbor’s house and that an unknown man was lurking on the property. " Watch the news report in the OP, she also told them that she believed the personS might have gone in the house but she could not see THEM now. Also that the owners were out of town. ALL making for a reasonable suspicion.

He was not arrested for trespassing he was arrested for his refusing to cooperate with the investigation. Doesn't matter what the neighbor told the police afterwards.

Yes we know.

No HE was STUPID and screwed up and they probably hope he learned his lesson.

 

Meanwhile the JUDGE dropped the charges because the police were STUPID which you ignored over and over.

He told them right from the start that he is Pastor Jennings and lives across the street which several NEIGHBORS soon backed him up including the woman who called 911 upon realizing who the person was told the police he is a neighbor there was ZERO signs that he was a danger to anyone and didn't have to pull out his wallet because the police didn't have legal cause to demand it.

This is from the ARTICLE that I highlighted in red to show the police had ZERO reason to continue their stupid actions and take the handcuffs off:

"The ordeal started because Jennings' neighbor, a white woman, called police to report a suspicious person. When she realizes that it was Jennings outside the home, she apologizes to him.

"He lives right there and he would be watering their flowers. This is probably my fault," she tells the three officers who responded to the scene.

Despite the woman telling police that she knows Jennings, he is still arrested.

Again, from the article you ignored:

"I know that police arrest Black people for anything these days but this is just outrageous. A Childersburg, Ala. pastor was arrested while watering his neighbor’s flowers, according to WBRC. Per the video footage, several witnesses confirmed he was supposed to be there but the officers refused to remove his handcuffs."

People who LIVES there told the police that he is a neighbor and was there legitimately that eliminated the polices justification to continue the arrest procedure.

Will post another section of the OP you allegedly read:

"An attorney for Jennings said his client was charged with obstructing government operations. A municipal judge dismissed the charge in June.

"This video makes it clear that these officers decided they were going to arrest Pastor Jennings less than five minutes after pulling up and then tried to rewrite history claiming he hadn’t identified himself when that was the first thing he did," attorney Daniels said. "This was not only an unlawful arrest. It’s kidnapping. It’s irrational, irresponsible and illegal."

bolding mine

"A municipal judge dismissed the charge in June."

The JUDGE doesn't agree with you, maybe that should get your attention?

The police should have dropped it since there was no serious crime being committed that justifies their demand for identification and that he was in a PRIVATE place.

Now I have to wonder if Police anywhere thinks they should arrest people for the TERRIBLE crime of watering some plants while the occupants are out of town on a trip wow you fell for this hilarity.

 

He wasn't attempting to leave the property, and your excuses are lame. There was no reasonable, articulable cause to detain him. But at least you aren't supporting the murder of Arbery again, so I guess that's a step up.

 

That is not accurate, Alabama law has no such mandate. Individuals only have to show ID under certain circumstances, such as being pulled over while operating a vehicle. If there is reasonable suspicion of a crime, officers may request the individual's name and address, and explanation for their action.. which the individual in the video did do. He told them his name, and told them exactly where he lived and what he was doing

The law does not require him to show his ID.. but besides that, he did not have an ID on him. If he did, the officers would have found it on him when they searched his pockets after handcuffing him

 

For the umpteenth damn time. The cops were conducting an investigation, in reference to a call about a possible trespass. It wasn't a random stop. Jennings wasn't on HIS property. So yes, he was required to show his ID.

 

No, he wasn't. Watch the video I provided. The guy in the video even provided the law and shows case law showing that he did not have to.

 

Yes, there was cause to detain him. There wasn't cause to arrest him. Please watch the video provided in post 327. The guy in the video provides the laws in question and relevant case law.

 

I appreciate the video and I'm big fan of the channel as well. However (and, admittedly, I haven't finished the video yet) listening to roughly 10:20-10:45 seems to indicate that the channel disagrees that there was reasonable, articulable suspicion to detain him.

 

He (who?) wasn't what? Are you saying the cops weren't conducting an investigation?

 

They got a call. Without much information at all. They had no reasonable, articulable suspicion that the guy watering flowers was committing a crime.

 

They got a call and had to investigate. It ain't rocket science, boys.

 

What a dumbas$. Show your ID and have a nice day. I would hope that if the police were called for someone in my yard, they wouldn't just take the guys word for it that he was invited to be there. Why do people have to be so antagonistic?

 

He was attempting to walk away from police who were conducting an investigation and questioning him in which he was a suspect under reasonable suspicion. He not only attempted to walk away, flee from the police, he challenged them to arrest him and detain him if they wanted to continue. The reason has be fully articulated and visible in the video. Your lame diversion ignored.

 

And had no reasonable articulable suspicion that the guy watering flowers was just watering flowers until the police left so he could then break into the house.

 

A call not only about him but about personS, more than one and that they may be in they house so the police had reasonable suspicion that there was another suspect lurking near by possibly still in the house and they had to be on the watch for that other person.

 

According to that "logic," the police can just go around detaining anyone they want, without reason. Because, hey, they may be doing something innocent at the time, but who knows what they will do next! You are literally proposing a police state.

 

Quote from the OP that they police got a report that someone was watering flowers.

"" That’s when someone called the police on him, claiming an unfamiliar SUV was parked outside the neighbor’s house and that an unknown man was lurking on the property." Watch the news report in the OP, she also told them that she believed the personS might have gone in the house but she could not see THEM now. Also that the owners were out of town. ALL making for a reasonable suspicion.

 

You can't just detain someone because you got a phone call. That's not how the law works. This ain't rocket surgery. You need REASONABLE SUSPICION that THIS PERSON committed an ARTICULABLE CRIME. That didn't exist here.

 

With that logic you don't care who is lurking around your house while you are gone?