PolitiFact: Only 22% of Obama's Listed Comments Rated as True

that reminds me of the time he posted a link to a cite discussing dinosaurs on noah's ark

and what you said is funny, considering that you couldn't show how obama allegedly underestimated putin

 

That depends on whether he knew he was gong to Taco Bell where they do not serve fish when he made the statement, or if he was intending to go to Long John Silvers at the time I suppose.

 

If it was a conservative, it is a clear lie. If a liberal, it is merely nuance.

 

don't you think it's simply a mistake?

 

Exactly the same dictate that Obama used his IRS for.To Target Conservative
and especially any group associated with the Tea Party.
I can clearly see how Obama & Dimocrats Like the Tea Party.How Obama didn't hate
Mitt Romney.Or the Rich { 1% }.which is really oddball.Obama got his funds
from those rich on Wall Street.
Tucker Carlson was totally spot on. The Rich and the Poor are Obama's biggest
supporters

 

and used them to help the underprivileged

 

I neiether think Obama is the only politician who lies, nor do I think Politifact is a credible source.

My argument has nothing to do with the actual topic.

I just don't understand you trying to make this about Politifact or the OP himself.

Yet, as we see below, you keep doing so:

Ok, so whenever someone posts a YouTube link, the thread is "about YouTube".

Your complete lack of common sense is noted.

No kiddin'

 

Really? So your point, your argument, is that advocating for honesty in politics is just wrong-headed political rhetoric? In other words, you're saying I'm wrong for advocating for truth in politics and you're right for attacking me for it. Well, that's pretty telling, dujac, and goes a long way to explaining the lefts perspective. Thanks for your "honesty".

 

Obama was elected with lies so it's no big surprise he governs with lies and when he's gone the left will lie about what a great pres he was.

 

The last statement is an assumption based upon partisan opinion unrelated to fact even when citing PolitiFact which has been universally condemned by both conservatives and liberals as often being unreliable. There are numerous levels between "True" and "Pants on Fire" that are the extreme categories.

For example PolitiFact rated President Obama's statement "if you like your health care plan, you can keep it" as its "lie of the year" in 2013. In 2008 it rated this statement as "True" and in 2009 and 2012 it rated it as "half-true" and we must ask how a statement can be true when it's made and then magically become a lie several years later? A statement has to be judged based upon when it is made and not several years later when "things have changed" that might negate the accuracy of the statement at the time is was made.

 

the point is that you're wrong and your assertion is dishonest

 

While a rational person would not consider that a lie that is not what PolitiFact would decide. PolitiFact (and some Republicans) believe that there is a magic crystal ball at the White House that predicts the future.

 

Thank you for "getting it" and offering your thoughts. Fact is, I'm fed up with the deteriorating discourse surrounding almost every issue we face in this country. Regardless of party, lies, half truths and rhetorical obliquity have become SOP for politicians and we the people have become so "D vs R" polarized politically we not only overlook it but often times actually defend it. I think this thread demonstrates that perfectly, but like you stated, how do we fix it when people refuse to even acknowledge there is problem?

 

Just go back and listen to Barack with his 2004 keynote address at the
Democrat National Convention. Talk about doublespeak.Says one thing and
rallies the country,while purposedly dividing,targetting and Spying on all
Americans. Ubelievable con job. There is no other way to interpret.

 

like the op

 

Any president that lies should be held accountable for their lies. Any and all. Obama is our lair in office now and needs to be held accountable for his lies. And don't give me the he thought he was eating Apples and turns out he was eating oranges crap. He has lied so damn many times and the progressive hypocrites don't care.
Cspan lie
Bills on his desk lie
NDAA lie
Obama care tax lie
Keep your doctor lie
Keep your plan lie
$2,500 savings lie
Affordable lie
The sequester lie
Obama care new sign up lie
Lied about NSA
Lied about the chemical attacks in Syria
Lied about transparency
Lied about lobbyist. Hell he just put another lobbyist on his panels this week.
Shovel ready. Lol love that one.
Lied about a family mortgage restructure plan.
He lie about ending the spying of American if they aren't expected of anything.
Closing Guantanamo Bay
Allowing American to buy medicine from other countries.
End non bid federal jobs.
End the Haliburton non bid contracts.
Lied about ending taxes for seniors making less than $50,000
Lied about the deficit
Lied about stopping Wall Street
Lied about too big to fail
Lied about fast and furious
Lied about the the Supreme Court never over turning a law congress has passed. Yet he is a lawyer right?
Lied about being part of the new party.
Lied about simplifying the tax codes.
Lied about putting every bill online for the people to see them before he signs them.
Lied about a YouTube video
Lied about no one will be exempt from doing their share in Obama care. Hello unions.
Lied about cutting spending over a trillion dollars.
Lied about getting every dime back from the bail outs.
Lied about fort hood not being a terrorist attack.
Lied about Adam Lanza using a fully auto weapon
He lied about Kerry's where a bouts during the Egyptian turmoil.
Lied about supporting wistle blower
Lied about not going after the press.
Etc
This isn't the one that his administrations as lied about like drones. Or Carneys lies.

 

Many Presidents are accused of lying, but fewer of those accusations have been proven. Can't say that about OWEbamer.

 

i knew you couldn't show me president that hasn't been accused of lying

your excuses and bs are a joke

 

Are you really advocating for 'truth in politics' or are you really just attacking Obama? I would hope you realize that there is a difference.

In my opinion, I think that the evidence shows that you are using the subject of 'honesty in politics' to attack Obama.

In May of 2013 this thread was started
Politifact Rated One Half Of GOP Claims This Year As False
“Republicans' claims are far more likely than Democrats' to be rated false by the fact-checking site PolitiFact, according to a study released Tuesday.

That thread was about 'truth in politics'- but of course targeting the GOP.

And your response? Did you demand 'truth in politics from the GOP? Of course not.

Politifact is a bad joke and pretty much everyone knows it. To bad too, because when they started back in '07 (I think), they actually did a reasonable job. But the originally group is long gone and it's basically nothing but a bunch of left wing hacks running the thing now. They claim to still be unbiased, which is obviously BS, and their credibility has steadily diminished because they aren't. The only ones who use their data anymore are other left wing hacks.

And this

BS, in five minutes anyone worth their salt can research Politifact and discover the one sided leftward tilt in their research and publications. So, you claiming they are "stating the obvious" only proves my point, they're LW hacks supplying other LW hacks with red meat.

Matter of fact, you posted 5 times in that thread- and never once advocated for 'honesty in politics'- not when Politifact was talking about the GOP.

It would appear that you are exclusively concerned with 'truth in politics' when it comes to Obama or the 'left'.

You both use Politifact to demonstrate what you consider to be lies- when it applies to a Democrat- and discredit Politifact- when it applies to Republicans.
You call for truth in politics- when it comes to Democrats- but are silent about 'truth in politics' when it comes to Republicans.

I happen to think that Politifact is credible both when it reports bad things about Republicans or Democrats. I am in favor of truth in politics from both Democrats and Republicans- but I also know that all politicians lie.

All of them.

 

LOL @ shades of grey in when comes to "truth".

Sorry.. either its true, or its not. End of story.

 

it's not true

 

My assumption isn't partisan, it's a statement acknowledging the obvious. Yes, I used Politifact as the source, but only as an introduction to a more serious debate involving honesty in politics, especially aimed at the publics acceptance of dishonesty being dependent on which party they support. Of course, it's impossible to have an honest discussion along those lines unless you see the problem outside of bias, but it's a discussion that's long over due.

 

Well, if advocating for honesty is wrong in your opinion, then yes, dujac, I'm wrong. So, what's that make you?

 

My original post asked this question;
"I guess the question is, have we become so entrenched in bias, staunch political patronage, we're willing to accept such blatant disregard for honesty by leadership we deem to be "on our side" or are we just too lazily content to confront it? "

Yes, I used Obama as an example of dishonesty, and for a reason, he's the president, the leader of our country. He holds a unique position, has a enormous amount of power and he's lied to us on numerous issues. In reality, so have many other of our leaders on both sides, thus the WE in the question I poised. The dialogue I was looking for is not about Obama or setting up a score card scenario of who lies more the 'D' or the 'R' because they both lie. I want to discuss why we accept the lies from one corner but denounce lies from the other. Aren't we better than that? If not, we're just selling our souls the most popular liar, aren't we?

 

Judging from the number of members here who regularly cite dishonest and unreliable sources like Fox News, the Washingontimes, Rush, Sean, Glenn, the Washingtonexaminer, the New York Post, and other such RW propaganda sources, it appears to me that many if not most folks couldn't care less than they are being lied to regularly, as long as the messages comports with their political ideology. As long as the message is the one we want to hear, it appears that many don't care if it is honest and accurate or not.