President Lincoln saved taxpayers four billion dollars...how can we do this in 2013?

If governments decided to invest paper currencies in projects that would truly benefit more people they would probably create less inflation because they could increase the supply of whatever type of products that they wished to stabilize in price!

I don't think they could go wrong by producing more food....especially with all the agricultural land now diverted into the production of bio-fuel!!??


http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...saving-new-orleans-florida-rising-oceans.html

 

TomFitz....have you ever seen Noam Chomsky's film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uuYjUxf6Uk
Noam Chomsky: Can civilisation survive really existing capitalism?


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If so do you personally think that our capitalist system can be positively reformed????

 

I would love for them to take another look at what President Kennedy began and figure out how it can be applied in 2013....or 2014???!!!

http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm

 

Thats not a theory at all Dennis.Thats a well known fact.He had over 500,000 us notes printed up and ready for distribuation and for 5 months our money was backed by silver instead of the worthless paper it is now.

Since we had over 500,000 printed up,some of them during those five months were distributed and sent out.a few thousand or so.

when Johnson became president,he stopped the distriubution of the money and they went back to what they are now.dollars that say Federal reserves notes on them that you see on your money now that are backed by worthless paper.

the deniars of course will say If its worthless,then how come it can buy things? Well the price of everything keeps going up because of inflation and thats because we have the corrupt federal reserve which had Kennedy lived and been able to fulfill his executive order,would have effectively eliminated the federal reserve.they and the CIA whom he was also trying to get rid of,are the reason why the world is in the mess that it is today.

His assassination affects us more than most american sheople realise.

Its a shame that every single president we have had since JFK,not one of them has reinstated his executive order that Johnson eliminated. We'll never have another president anything like JFK again sadly. .

 

I prefer to blame the problems of the economy on myself.......as a greedy consumer who would eat everything in my path if the money supply was so high that my potential level of consumption was maximized!!??

I like to think this way because any drug addict or alcoholic who will take responsibility for his addiction will be able to do something about his problems.

As long as the drug addict blames his wife or parents or friends....he will be unable to do what needs to be done to solve the problem.

One of the big problems with the economy, in my opinion, is that human life has INFINITE value whereas gold, silver, oil and other commodities are merely commodities!!!??

I started studying those NDE accounts in 1990 and from what I find in them I believe that if America would begin to place nearly infinite value on human life and lower value on oil and gold and silver.....our nations could have an economic surge that would boggle the human mind???!!!

 

I totally agree with you that it is astonishingly disappointing that political leaders such as President Obama would not come out and speak more clearly on the implications of all this!

I do realize that he has to be careful....the people on Wall Street are amazingly lacking in philosophical strength and they tend to go out on their balconies and jump to their deaths even when amazing progress is being made.

I personally feel that "An Inconvenient Truth" by Mr. Al Gore was one of the greatest documentary films of the past fifty years. He got into so many issues that had to be considered....it is astonishing....but the people on Wall Street went and devalued everything in America.....partly because An Inconvenient Truth proved to us that our type of economy was unsustainable which sooner or later would lead to certain stocks having lesser value???!!!

So in our modern age.....phenomenal progress and intellectual honesty can result in the stock market plunging!!!!!????

No wonder our political leaders are scared to face difficult questions.

A New Mexico biology teacher and coach has convinced me that investment in turning deserts green though would be much more effective than a carbon tax over the next two or three decades though!


https://www.facebook.com/notes/west...rrency-unit-to-save-coastal-c/373261199364486

Proposal for the creation of a Quebec provincial currency unit to save coastal communities from threat of rising ocean levels.


In my opinion it is going to cost trillions of dollars to do what needs to be done to protect towns like Truro, and Antigonish, Nova Scotia from the consequences of the cracking and sliding of a large part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the land based Greenland Ice Pack into the ocean.

The province of Alberta attempted to create its own provincial currency unit during The Great Depression but enormous pressure was exerted to ensure that their experiment in monetary policy was unsuccessful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Social_Credit_Party

The province of Quebec seems to be in much better position to create its own provincial currency unit without facing the massive backlash from the financial community and federal government that Alberta experienced.

Dr. James Hansen has stated that the last time that global temperatures rose by three degrees ocean levels rose by 25 meters over four centuries. Canada and the world are NOT yet prepared for ocean rise of one meter every twenty years.

Nearly one hundred million people in Bangladesh alone will become climate change refugees in the event of merely a one meter rise in ocean levels!

 

Not exactly because up here in Canada back during the nineties the level of debt was ten times higher than the total money supply. We have made it impossible to pay off the national debt. You Americans are doing it better than we are in many ways because your total level of debt was merely 3.5 times higher than the total money supply!!

A better understanding of this subject will be critical if we are to save New Orleans and much of the State of Florida from eventually being swallowed by rising ocean levels.

Dr. James Hansen has stated that the last time that world temperatures rose by three degrees....ocean levels rose by 25 meters over merely four centuries.

The world is certainly not prepared for ocean level rise of one meter roughly every twenty years!

With better monetary policy we could finance ventures like the Sahara Forest Project so well that a similar amount of water ends up being added to the water table of North Africa or Australia or California as is melting off Greenland and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet!!!??

http://saharaforestproject.com

 

Yes.......but when our political leaders back up companies such as those mentioned in the documentary "The Future of Food".....our countries are definitely headed toward trouble??!!

http://www.thefutureoffood.com

 

I am of the belief that human life has infinite value!!!!

Gold, silver, precious stones, oil and other commodities have value in that they can save or at least improve human life.

Judaism predicts the raising up of a future King David type of person somehow. Films dedicated to saving and improving human lives would be bound to increase in value in an era with a Davidic mindset!!!!??

The stock market fell in 2008 because we were watching An Inconvenient Truth, The Future of Food and other films that proved to us that we were putting money ahead of life.........which we know is wrong......so of course our stock prices must be overvalued..........The fall in share prices was partly psychological.

 

One of the reasons why the stock market crashed in 2008 is because so many of us were watching documentaries like "An Inconvenient Truth", The Corporation and just about everything put out by Mr. Michael Moore. Actually I regard these as very good information....but.....they make us kind of depressed and make us realize that our economy must be transferred over to green sources of energy.........which tends to make us think that the prices on Wall Street are exaggerated.....which causes downward pressure on stock prices???????!!!!!!

 

No.........but be careful that a group of other nations don't get together and devalue the USA Dollar into the dirt....................So don't attempt to divide Israel but instead consider assisting with a deal to bring peace between Israelis and Palestinians through a deal with Jordan.....which is obviously much wiser????!!!



http://www.politicalforum.com/blogs...ns-egypt-what-we-can-do-about.html#comment989


I am convinced that the key to peace in the Middle East lies in an agreement between Jordan and Israel.

To my thinking any political leader who wants Israel to go back to the 1966 borders........is astonishingly NAIVE!!!!!!!!!!??????

I can think of a few stronger terms as well????!!!!

For the record I am of the opinion that near death experience accounts fit perfectly with String Theory, (especially the Bosonic version), and The Anthropic Principle and The Cyclic Model of the universe.

The implications.......what was shown to Dannion Brinkley has already occurred in another branch of time and in our branch of time can be done in a vastly more kind and gentle manner!!!!????

 

The people who are genuinely attempting to save this planet have got to come up with some way to place a value on what they contribute so that there is an incentive for them to organize more effectively.


The basic idea in this film could be turned into a full fledged peace plan between Jordan and Israel....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ8pjOG4pXI

Behind Greening the Desert

 

Perhaps though this was planned in order to create the illusion that our governments are nearly bankrupt so that unions could be kept weak?

http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty34.htm
Compound interest
The sudden increase in the debt after a certain number of years can be explained by the effect of what is called compound interest. Contrary to simple interest, which is paid only on the original borrowed capital, compound interest is paid on both the principal plus the accumulated unpaid interest. Thus, with simple interest, a $100-loan at 6% interest would give, at the end of 5 years, a debt of $100 plus 5 times 6% of $100 ($30.00), for a total debt of $130. But with compound interest, the debt at the end of the fifth year is the sum of the debt of the previous year ($126.35) plus 6% interest of this amount, for a total debt of $133.82.

Putting all these results on a chart, where the horizontal line across the bottom of the chart is marked off in years, and the vertical line is marked off in dollars, and connecting all these points by a line which traces a curve that illustrates the effect of compound interest and the growth of the debt:

The curve is quite flat at the beginning, but then becomes steeper as time goes on. The debts of all countries follow the same pattern, and are increasing in the same way. Let us study, for example, Canada's public debt.

 

Two years have gone by since I began this discussion..... this has given me a lot of time to think this over..... and one of the best ways to get people discussing this option is to relate it to financing the Canadian purchases of F-35's.

http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...orrect-abt-f-35-being-best-our-air-force.html

Could P. M. Stephen Harper be correct abt the F-35 being the best for our air force?

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Does P. M. Stephen Harper deserve credit for making it clear that he prefers the F-35 over any other jet?

(notice post # 412 here):

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...24-bombers-practiced-attack-runs-nato-42.html

 

I think you may enjoy this other thread:


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=411934&page=5&p=1065079114#post1065079114
Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives

 

Lincoln understood that whomever controls the currency controls the country. He was under pressure to submit to the central bank of England which would have resulted in the re-establishment of a central bank in the United States which would have had no interest in the wellbeing of the US. He chose instead correctly to create money by way of the US treasury.

The Civil war forever changed the economy of the United States and put the Industrialists in the position of power and wealth that would come back to haunt the country 30 years later. That period of history was one of rapid expansion driven by the Industrialization and westward expansion. Under pressure from the industrialists to expand the monetary base to facilitate the expansion, the Treasury began to expand the money supply beyond the actual reserves of gold and silver that backed the Treasury Notes.

Under this backdrop JP Morgan in collusion with the Rothschild's who already controlled most of the central banks of Europe devised a plan to take control of the US government by way of the forced implementation of a Central Bank. That plan was to bankrupt the US government by way of facilitating the expansion of the money supply beyond the physical reserves of gold and silver and then to engineer a series of market crashes which would culminate in a great crash that would panic people into demanding redemption of their treasury notes for gold and bankrupting the US government. If the situation arose in which the government could not redeem the Treasury notes, the public would be out to imprison the entire Washington DC establishment.

The plan worked flawlessly and the stock market crash engineered by JP Morgan in 1893 began to empty the gold reserves and by 1895 they were at 45% of previous levels and redemptions were accelerating.

The government was in big trouble and JP Morgan offered them a deal they couldn't refuse. He would arrange through the Rothchilds to transfer 65 million in gold reserves from the Central Banks of Europe to the US Treasury. Of course this loan came at a price.
That price would be the implementation of a Central Bank here in the US. JP Morgan and the government knew this would be very unpopular with the American people, and to do it at that time would have made it obvious that JP Morgan was now in charge of the US government.

As a result the implementation of the "Federal Reserve" was postponed until 1913 and done under very covert circumstances.
JP Morgan and the Rothschild's were now in charge of the US government and would from that point on print the money of the United States and loan it to the government at interest. The only President who has ever challenged the supremacy of the Federal Reserve was JFK who authorized the Treasury under his tenure to once again begin to print Treasury Notes.... but we all know what happened to him.

As a side note, the US government did go bankrupt one more time after 1895, it was in 1933 and in return for help received, instituted the Federal Income Tax act and the Social Security program which effectively transferred the wealth and indentured labor of the US Citizens to the Federal Reserve to pay the debts of the US government.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ter-wall-street-turned-out-just-man-predicted

103 years later, nothing has changed....

 

dam illuminati

 

President Lincoln borrowed money from Russia to finish the war, and couldn't pay it back. Hence the national currency. It was done "in the guise of" unification and reconstruction but that wasn't the real reason, it was just a convenient device that allowed lawmakers to vote for it without losing their seats.

 

Excellent analysis of history jdog!

What do you think of the idea of a second currency…… perhaps a "Volunteerism Hour" printed up to attempt to deal with many social problems from another angle?

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=401463&page=2&p=1065037687#post1065037687

 

The only way to correct the situation we are in today is to educate the people so that they will demand the abolition of the Federal Reserve.
If that does not happen, our decedents will live in total slavery and poverty.

 

I must admit that what those beings of light showed to former atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm is pretty scary.

But the word IF was used many times….. so it is obvious that we do have a choice in this.

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04

I personally favour keeping the federal reserve doing what it is doing and introducing a second major currency………….. that is backed up by the gold of volunteerism.

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ations-should-print-their-own-currencies.html

Large churches in democratic nations should print their own currencies.
www.CalgaryDollars.ca/
is a good example of how several dozen socially active residents of an area can begin what amounts to a second tier to the economy.

The Ithaca Hour is an excellent example of a similar concept being applied in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours
The Ithaca HOUR is a local currency used in Ithaca, New York and is the oldest and largest local currency system in the United States that is still operating.[1] It has inspired other similar systems in Madison, Wisconsin; Corvallis, Oregon;[2] and a proposed system in the Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania.[3] One Ithaca HOUR is valued at US$10 and is generally recommended to be used as payment for one hour's work, although the rate is negotiable.
Most North American churches have a desire to assist the poor and the oppressed. Well….. in 2014 efforts by a group of socially active Christians could easily transform dozens of homeless people into actors….. who are playing the role of homeless people….. and the specific efforts to help them could becomes scenes in a series of documentary and reality films designed to give the homeless people a job that finances their getting an apartment or at least a group home.

Most of us are unaware of the Worgl, Austria local currency experiment that was conducted during the Great Depression and how successfully it was copied in hundreds of communities in the USA. As a matter of fact…… it looks like what these communities accomplished played a significant role in inspiring the USA government to alter the monetary system in many positive ways.

http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

 

But in comparison to what we humans are capable of doing…….. those illuminati seem to have done a reasonably good job over these past few decades of preventing us from having an all out nuclear war???!

 

end some of the tax loop holes for the rich and give the tax cuts to the 90%, could easily do it

 

Yes………. reduction of taxation for the people who are likely to purchase a new home could certainly boost the economy.