Punishment law over Armenian Genocide denial in France

those 70 have represented the all political sectors of the French politic. pliz start a separated thread about Algerian history

 

If Turkey was powerfull like USA, or if Sarkozy knows that half milion Turkish voter will vote for Sarkozy, even not Wikipedia would write this is Genoside or France Parlementary wouldn't decide for such a law. Everything is arranged before Christmas holiday only with 38 / 577 (not even 70) parlemantaries voted.

I hope you beleive that this is not arranged, you really beleive France did it because they think democracy...

According to questionnaire in ''Le Monde'' more than 9000 people joined and %64 of people find this law useless and not matching to Democracy. If all parlementaries were there this law wouldn't be passed...

Listen Hrant Dink and the ideas of an Armenian Intellectual. He couldn't protected by Turks and Armenian Disapora. Both of these community showed anger to him because of his ideas. He was protesting that other countries scratching this matter according to their profits and blocking the dialogue...
His brother made a decleration to protest this law in France because it is not different than the law 301 in Turkey which is caused to Hrant many problems for many years to say his ideas...

You listen maybe you can learn something about the issue. The difference of Hrant, he wants to solve the problem Sarkozy just wanted to win the elections without thinking what will happen at the next... He confirmed a law which he blocked at the Senato in 2006. Now i am asking you what changed from 2006 to now, why he didn't confirmed the same law before???? Do you have any answer please?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ualde25hhd0"]"Hrant Dink Dünya'ya Sesleniyor" - YouTube[/ame]

 

I was telling that we can't say the Jewish and Armenian Genoside were the same, here below i found an interesting source, i wanted to share (I wonder i would be jailed if i was in France?)

A Summary of Differences between the Armenian Genocide thesis and the proven Holocaust

■There were no hate speeches in the Ottoman Empire against Armenians; There were in Nazi Germany.
■Armenians target Turks as a whole when the blame-train comes by, not differentiating between generations, and saying the Turks are just as guilty for denying the genocide. Jews blame Nazi Germany at the time, and the party leadership, and the followers who committed the genocide.
■Jews were identified by the Star of David before the Holocaust so that the Nazis can identify them easily when the genocide comes and they were able to be racist towards Jews more easily. Armenians could not be identified unless you follow them into their church.
■Jews were separated into communities isolated into Ghettos. Armenians were not separated but some villages were known to be mostly Armenians.
■Jews were the continuous target of prejudice and racism by Germans which was well documented. While Armenians were never a target of hate for the 600 years they were ruled over, they ruled their own region with their own local government.
■Jews were hated and prejudiced against before the Nazi regime, Hitler acted on these age old prejudices, however there is no such history of that with Armenians and Turks.
■Jews did not rebel against the Nazis. Armenians rebelled many times before 1915, and even during 1890s when their rebel organizations first formed.
■There were no Jewish generals, no Jewish soldiers, rebels, or rebel organizations that fought against the Nazis. In contrast, Armenian organizations, generals who committed many massacres of Muslims were abundant.
■Jews did not own weapons, they did not have mass storage of armaments. Armenians had thousands of arms, easily brought to the Ottoman Empire through Iran or Russia by the smugglers. Some scholars argue that Armenians gathered weapons for self-defense, but they were not lightly distributed amongst individuals but gathered in strategic locations to be used where they were hidden as a garrison of rebellion. Barricades and trenches were created during the Van Rebellion of April 1915 as well as in 1896.

 

Military service is a must for all Turkish citizens, including those are outside Turkey. BTW this is off-topic and is not an answer to what you quoted.

 

If you ask me, yes, it is not disputed simply because there was a no systematic destruciton towards Armenian people. All these "genocide" bull(*)(*)(*)(*) is nothing more than a slander towards our history coined by politicans in order achieve political goals. Same bull(*)(*)(*)(*) different day, sorry.

 

+1, except Azaris and Turks...only the 2 nations in the world...

 

when you are gonna join it?

 

Most so-called "Holocaust deniers" do not deny that the jewish people were treated poorly, and that many died as a result. The disagreement is over how many jews died, and how many of these deaths the germans were directly responsible for. There is also disagreement over what the conditions in the camps were actually like, and how widespread the abuses were.

Just because one believes that "The Holocaust" is an inappropriate name for the plight of the jews under nazi germany does not necessarily mean that they deny historical facts.

People should be allowed to discuss and question history (if they are not intentionally and blatently spreading false information), even if it is offensive to some of the other people in society.

 

since when "what the majority says" is the unchallengeable truth?

someone might gather 10 of his friends in your neighbourhood
and start yelling that you are a "rapist", and add "here, we provide
proof for it" (aka hire a photoshop artist and make collages)...

then distribute these in all the city, then in all the country...
"public enemy, the rapist: litwin!"

by the time this campaign is done,
you know what will happen?

your friends, your close ones, your family, and
even you, will be suspecting the crime...​

one should ask, what is france after?
why armenians are against an impartial history comission?

the answer is: they are protecting the rights of poor armenians
from the barbar turks.

ok, paid superhighway -with toll booths- ahead, drive safe, babay now.

 

Hopefully once I age to twenty, or right after finishing the university I will go.

 

health problem? would you like to serve in Kurdistan?

 

What? No?

I would love to do my duty in southeastern Turkey. Why do you even wonder?

 

lame N-Koreans explanation,

PS if you want to be a logical a feel what A real marginal feels, use his stile for 1 week

 

it can be iraq - iran - Syria´s parts of Kurdistan as well ..., are you ready to kill for your ultra nationalistic believes?

 

Mexican Senate adopts resolution recognizing genocide committed by Armenians in Khojaly

http://www.aztv.az/readnews.php?lang=en&id=849

Don't worry if Turkey makes a good lobby such as Armenians made in France there will be many muslim country will recognise Genoside maden by France or Armenia...

The matter is not this, this is not a fair way...

Maybe 1000 times i told that in Turkey we have many people accepts that a planned murdering happened to non Muslims Alevians and Kurds in Ottoman time also in Turkish Republic era, if its name is genoside it is genoside...

Tayyip Erdogan apologized from Kurds in Dersim for the organised killing of rebel Kurdish Alevians in Dersim... There were many changes also for Armenian issue in Turkey nowadays Turkish intellectuals are talking about our mistakes not to discuss this inside and to let to condors like Sarkozy...

France made something and took all Turkish wrold around 200 bilion aganist France and Armenia...

Nationalist aganist because they don't beleive such a Genoside,
Liberal and Leftist aganist because this law block to discuss this issue and aganist to human rights, you can't send prison people because their ideas...

I hate that countries use this kind of events according to their national profit...

For example Iran is in Armenian side because they have an Azeri minority and they always together with Armenian aganist to Azerbaijan...

 

Obviously the Mexican government is trying to cozzy up next to Turkey, perhaps to promote a free trade agreement?

 

i don't understand your point.

 

Of course it was object of intensive historical research, since decades already. Due to the fact that Turkey has always denied it and will always deny it, no one will wait for an "Ok" from Turkey to do that.

It is a souvereign state which makes the laws itself and does not ask for permission in Ankara.

This is a strawpuppet Turkey creates to mask one of the dark chapters of history of their own. As a proud people Agerians forbid to be instrumentalized with such nonsense for the Turkish crusade.

Algeria asks Turkey to stop citing French massacre

If you did not get the translation of diplomatic terms correctly, it means something like "(*)(*)(*)(*) you!" to Turkey.

There are two different points in this context, personally I reject such laws as an inapproriate reducement of freedom of speech, like e.g. the Holocaust laws in Germany, although I see that denial of genocides has more often to do with a demonstration of power towards a group of victims than with pure historical discussion. However theoretically it is possible that someone denies it because he is just misinformed or has new evidences that could change the point of view.

Furthermore such hatemongers belong to a pluralistic society like the stinking smell to the sewer, even the more spreaded reason for genocide denial, hate and chauninism should be beared by a democratic society.

These laws I don't agree with do not change one bit of the fact that Turkish maneuvres are pretty simple to look behind.

So you keep telling, that there exists no research about the genocide of the Armenian people, but you surprisingly know about these genocides.

So feel free to tell us how you come to the conclusion that the Armenians planned the systematical extermination of Azeris to purge them from our planet, to kill them all for simply being Azeris.

Tell us about how you come to the conclusion that the Azerbaidjan people was to be wiped out.

Tell us about, where there was the order, to exterminate the Algerian people, which the Algerians reject.

In the colonial times there were some genocides, without a doubt, but these maneuvres are silly.

 

against to Azerbaijan and Turkey, and you will always support Iranian Azari separatists

 

77 French Senators have put their signatures under the aplication for cancelling the punishment on denial, and now the issue will be disputed at the Constitutional Council. The negative decision of the comitee on French Parlementary for the same law in 2006 could be example and the law could be cancelled by Concil.

http://www.yerkirmedia.am/?act=news&lan=en&id=5000

 

I would only pitty a Turk that says there was an Armenian genocide.But I wouldnt say that just with an empty nationalist feeling.The vast majority you mention that agree with Armenian genocide think that way because thats the only scenario they were presented with and they dont know any better.If you repeat the same lie so often.After some time it wont feel wrong.

Its the fault of Turkish goverments from past to present for not dealing with these falsified allegations when they started in 1965.When there are all the archive documents and historic facts that disproves Armenian diaspora's genocide scenario,its Turkey's fault for not defending our thesis enough to tell the world the our part of history.Unfortunately lack of education and inferiority complex causes people like Haydar to degrade his own country like this.For a liberal mind,becoming more westernized means insulting their own country.PS-There is no such thing as an "Azeri Seperatist".Thats laughable.

 

Armenia's current president sarkisyan personaly took part in Khojaly genocide of Azeri Turks.He directed some troops and the reason of Khojaly was murdering people just because of their ethnic identity.The hypocrisy and denial of you western europeans is nothing but disgusting.

 

is it all whats your and French oligarchic lobby can do? just accept it , it was the genocide(s)

 

The law cancelled by court in France. Sarkozy couldn't keep his promise to take Armenian votes...

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/28/world/europe/france-armenia-genocide/index.html

 

a Turkish liberal wrong again "French genocide law: President Sarkozy orders new draft" http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...-sarkozy-orders-new-draft.html#post1060936489

just wonder what are you gonna this time? ban french fries ? anyway Turkish actions only prolongs kemalist - ottomans agony