Question for "Medicare for all" supporters... Does that include illegal aliens?

Of course not. Following me around accusing me of verbal diarrhea is a bit on the stalker side.

 

How does it feel to have all the answers? You are a genius!

 

Why not?

 

Let's be clear. You are not the teacher and I am not the pupil. Got it, hotshot? How did Medicare enter this picture?
My answer is that if illegal immigrants or even illegal 'aliens' are paying into the Medicare system, then they are eligible when the time comes. I believe that insurance should be available, whether Medicare or something else, provided a monthly premium is paid out of pocket in addition to payroll deductions. The younger you are, the more you pay. The numbers reduce as you age until retirement when the minimum would take effect. Just a thought.
The real problem is what to do about those on welfare who stay on welfare and go to the emergency rooms at no cost. Bill Clinton put a time limit on the welfare thing and I don't think that it is still in effect. I also think that food stamps should not include cigarettes, candy, etc.

 

I have. When has the Mid East ever been at peace? All they do is murder each other, and some of the most power Mid East nations hold after prayer chants in the streets calling for death. When have the nations in Central America or Haiti ever been peaceful?

Mexico is the most stable of all of them, and yet it's such a damn hell hole, its people risk harm, murder and rape, by their own people, as they try to flee to America.

 

Not if it is the basis of my position... which it is, ironically.

No.

 

Following you around? You mean responding to your posts? Well then heck you ought to stop following me around!

 

Are they supposed to be in your house, eating your food, and taking over your house? No??? Why not?

It's such a typical ignorant come back from the hate-America crowd, they are fine with illegal immigration as long as it's not them losing a job, our having to pay to house, educate and care for these people. Because you know they will not be intruding on your life, won't be living in your house, eating your food, or committing crimes against you and yours.

You can virtue signal with stupid comments like the one you gave, because for you, illegal aliens are our of sight and out of mind.

 

I am not the topic of this thread. But thank you for answering my question regarding your capability to form an argument.

 

Madicare for all will never happen. It doesn’t matter who they want to cover.

 

Like every other country we have this thing, you see, called a border. It is the geographic and political boundary which demarks our landmass and separates us from other countries. And consequent thereto, a set of policies governing ingress and egress. Under this policy, foriegn nationals, known as aliens, are required to comply wth the set of policies referenced above. Those who are out of compliance with said policies are known, formally, as illegal aliens. The legal consequence for noncompliance with the policies referenced above is deportation. That is to say, removal from the landmass demarcated by the border. Hence, illegal aliens do not belong here. Glad I could explain this basic concept to you.

 

Apparently I am as evidenced by your difficulty answering a simple question.

Well you see it’s actually kind of the topic.

Oh! You actually replied to the topic!

Ok so I’ll put you down for a yes. Now please explain your position — why do individuals with no legal right to even be present in country have a right to medical coverage? Shouldn’t they just be deported as per the law?

Also, you reversed your quotes above: you put the word aliens in quotes. However, you should have put the word immigrants in quotes.

 

They aren't You haven't answered the question.

Go ahead...Just admit that you can't....

 

Speaking about "basic concepts", do you know what the word "egress" means?

Anyway.... what policy did all so-called "illegal aliens" not comply with, and how do you know that they all failed to comply with.... whatever policy that is?

 

Actually they view illegal aliens as one of the just punishments for the many wrongs they imagine America to have committed throughout history. They will never admit this, of course.

 

The difference of course is you're responding with insults (see, verbal diarrhea comment). No need for that.

 

Well sure of course any illegal immigrant caught should be deported. But if an illegal immigrant shows up to the ER with their head split open and bleeding all over should we just arrest him as is and deport him or do you think it might be ok he get some medical attention first?

 

Thank you for bringing this typographical error to my attention. I had intended to type “ingress and egress,” but my gestalt got the best of me. I sincerely appreciate your grammatical diligence. I will go fix the passage now.

I’m not playing this game. It is common knowledge that to be lawfully present in any country, you enter through an official port of entry and present the reqired credentials upon application for ingress. And that once you have been granted entry through compliance with the country’s immigration policy, you are required to remain in compliance with said policy for the duration of your visit. This is the normative state of immigration policies the world over. If an individual has entered at a location other than an official port of entry or has, for example, failed to exit by the specified date, this is prima facia evidence that individual is out of compliance and will then be subject to the legal consequences as specified by the locale’s immigration policy.

 

It is not an insult when it is a fact.

 

If they can pay for treatment, of course. Then they can be summarily deported when medically ambulatory.

 

It is only "common knowledge" among Trump supporters and the anti-immigrant crowd. The rest of the world is perplexed. Have you ever heard of a condition known to professionals in Psychology as "Pluralistic Ignorance"? Some call it "The Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome" For that reason I wrote this.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-presidents-new-wall.550960/

Anyway.... that's not important. The important thing is that you still haven't answered the question. You applied a blanket "shouldn't be here" to all so-called (incorrectly named) "illegal aliens". Some might not "belong here" (whatever that means). But many do. For many reasons they would definitely belong here. But you talk about some "policy" being broken by them. I don't see how they would break a "policy". It's not their policy. A policy is a course of action that a government imposes on itself. Not on others. Like the Department of State had the "policy' of separating children from their family. The government either separates them or they don't. So, according to your reasoning, the only way immigrants would be compliant with the policy is by separating themselves. The reason some aliens are deported is not "because they are not compliant with the policy'. It's because deporting them is the policy of the government. It may be departmental policy to deport them. But what you're saying is that they shouldn't be here because they are not compliant with the policy. That doesn't make sense.

So your argument is confusing and unclear. And I have the distinct suspicion that the reason for that is that you are unable to answer.

 

It is common knowledge to rational, reasonable people that nations have borders. If you can't acknowledge this fact, I can't help you understand this topic. It is common knowledge to rational, reasonable people that governments pass laws that govern behavior with consequences enforced upon those who fail to comply. If you can't acknowledge this fact, I can't help you understand this topic.

There are numerous federal statutes in the U.S. Code that govern immigration and define the legal terms therewith. If you're really that interested, you can look them up if you have some spare time on your hands. But to claim an individual does not have to comply with the law as you have poorly attempted to above is folly. At best.

Hence, illegal aliens do not belong here, no more than an American belongs in their home countries if they have not lawfully entered and complied with their immigration policies.

 

You still fail to understand that policies are not made for the general population. They are made for the government (in this case). You can say that an immigration official did not comply with immigration policies. But not the immigrant.

But you say "not lawfully entered the country". The largest majority, by far, of so-called (and incorrectly labeled) "legal aliens did enter the country legally". But even if you were to apply this to people who... say.... didn't enter the country using a designated point of entry, even for that smaller sub-set you still have not answered my question. You have repeated but not justified your blanket statement that they don't "belong" You are getting farther, not nearer. to answering my question. To make it simpler for you, let's try to go part by part. First answer this: What makes somebody "belong" or "not belong" here? Or, for that matter, Americans in another country..

 

Not true. Illegal aliens are illegal

 

I am going to make this as simple as I can for you: If you are not in compliance with our immigration laws, you do not belong here. /thread.