Qur'an Justifies Islamic Terrorism? Not Really.

The OT is never abrogated. The NT and OT are equal, and nothing in the Bible shows that it is abrogated, nor that it needs to be abrogated.

 

I didnt quote a verse and "kill them wherever you find them" isnt limited to specific aggressive unbelievers and "until...religion should only be for Allah" is for all time UNTIL religion is only for Allah. Which has not occured.

And none of these verses are specific to aggrssive unbelievers or limited in time.

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them

 

Couldnt be stated much more plainly. And the millions of Christians eating shellfish and blended fabrics proves you to be wrong.

Ephesians 2
15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Hebrews 8
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Romans 10
4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.(*)

Romans 7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 3
13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

Galatians 3 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law

 

All I said is needed is some basis the OT is as good as the NT for that, a leader able to make it sound good and followers willing to act on it.

 

Once again Dixon cherry-picks verses, unaware that behind every verse is a certain historical context.

 

Religious despots cherry pick if in the OT tells the Hebrews to wipe out these people for offending him then its clear violence against heathens is fine to someone wanting to have crimes against humanity if not YOUR kind of Christian (Pope). Don't allow a witch to live - all Christian sects.

Islam is no different.

 

It certainly doesn't meant that every unbeliever should be forced to become Muslim. Rather, it means that Muslims should fight their persecuters and oppressors ( in this case the Pagan tribes) until God's law is the rule of the land, and Muslims are able to obey His Will without being persecuted for doing so.

 

As I stated...Crazy S#!#!

AboveAlpha

 

I've seen no evidence the Koran prohibits targeting civilians in revenge attacks or waging war to spread Islamic law.

 

How is one fighting 'persecutors' when the reason for war changes to fighting until 'God's law is the rule of the land'?

 

I agree that the Quran doesn't advise it, but they're interpreting it in their own way and view it as saying anyone who is of differing opinion then them. When "iffy" wording and craziness combines we get a bunch of crazy people that think they can kill anyone and can overpower anyone that opposes them.

 

You have to remember it is all about timing.

At one time Christian's were sending massive numbers of Knights and Troops to capture Jerusalem as well as one time Israelites were hired by the Egyptian's to help the Egyptian Army conquer massive areas of Africa as the Israelittes were considered at that time the very best Mercenaries.

All Religious Belief is eventually warped into WAR AND DEATH AND DESTRUCTION!!!

Right now we have Islamic Extremists.....Hindu's and Muslims killing each other the seperation of India into India, Pakistan and Bangladesh...etc.

It's all about timing....and all Religious Beliefs are ultimately warped into violent actions.

AboveAlpha

 

The persecuters started it, but God will end it.

 

Are you kidding me? Here is just one verse out of many:

 

If there is a GOD...it's not paying attention and if we can we should FIRE IT'S A$$!

AboveAlpha

 

"Paying attention." Perhaps you can elaborate this?

 

If you have traveled around the world like I have and seen what is going on it is obvious there is no...GOD'S PLAN!

It's all Cause and Effect.

Religion is the single most indideous form of a CONTROL SYSTEM ever devised by man.

AboveAlpha

 

What does not "paying attention" have to do with any of this?

 

NOTHING!!

Because there is no....ANYTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING AS WELL!!

AboveAlpha

 

The passage is talking about punishments for individuals under an Islamic state; not the conduct of war between a nation and an Islamic state.

 

Thats for the "Children of Israel", the Jews.

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Im fully aware of the historical context. Make a point if you can.

 

It certainly does for every idolator.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Convert or die. Couldnt be stated much more plainly.

 

Problem with Islam is that it doesnt need to be warped. A literal reading of the doctrine justifies war and death. Thats what Muhammad did. He was a warrior.

 

109 verses that render the OP bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

I see no reason why any thinking society should tolerate Islam.

 

Those statements did not abrogate the law, because the law was never meant to be the final covenant. A new covenant was created with the death of Jesus on the cross, but that new covenant was not inconsistent with the old one. Throughout the OT, prophets told of a comming Messiah who would establish a new covenant, a kingdom of God. The old covenant was not abolished or abrogated, but added to.