Race and the Modern GOP

by your logic then it is fair to say that more southern Republicans voted against it than southern Democrats.

 

I notice that not a single lib eveb bothered ti address what the book "The End of Southern Exceptionalism" found. That it was the growth of the upper middle class suburban south that turned the south red and the racist middle and lower middle class rural south didn't start voting republican until the 90s and even then only in congressional elections. Clinton took the middle class and poor rural whites by a large margin.

The stupidity of this southern strategy argument is that it assumes that the South hasn't changed at all since 1964.

Stupid ... Fricking Stupid

if you believe this myth its time for some introspection on your own intelligence and how gullible you are. The same people who buy this myth are the same peop who buy the state by state IQ fraud. It plays into their own bias and ignorance of the south.

Come on you cowards try and argue this with me!!! Ridk the damage to your ego and give back the participation trophy you hold so dear.

 

The bigger question is how many of those northern democrats who voted for it did so because it was going to pass. Many civil rights bills were killed or gutted with northern democrat support.

Once it was going to pass they flip their support for political reasons.

The northern democrats had let both the 1957 and 1960 civil rights acts be gutted by the southern democrats.

Did this change because of a change of heart or because they no longer had the votes?

 

My post was a reply to a ridiculous post and I have no label. I'm for equal rights for all even white people. If you are not for the rights of the white population then that makes you a racist. Black folks have the right to choose how they want to live and behave same as I do and I am more than willing to fight for that freedom. Every person regardless of race can choose to be a good person or bad. I have been both and I do know what the hell I'm talking about from experience not just an idea that I have been told.

 

I say let the Democratic Party clean up their own racist Party before complaining of others. It's full of racist and I don't have to go back 50 years to point it out.

 

To further point out how fricking stupid this is, the argument is largely based on Nixon's success in thr south in the 68 election.

News flash Nixon didn't carry a majority of the vote in any southern state. The best he did was in Missouri wuth 45% of the vote mostly from Northern Missouri. Wallace split the racist vote and Nixon took the moderates. Nixon had a boarder strategy to take the moderates in the boarder states. Let Wallace and Humphrey fight over civil rights while he campaigns on the Vietnam War.

That was the "southern strategy:

 

What seems lost here is the fact that the democrats of the south were tried and true racists, and didn't want to let go of those traditions until the republicans began winning elections and turning the minds of these racists into an equal society. It isn't perfect, but if it wasn't for republicans making these inroads the south could have remained the same racist hateful society it once was.

Very good post above, and I doubt you will get many takers on your challenge

 

It goes more to these people's ignorance and bias. They have this view of the south that is streight out of Deliverance. To them the "Southern Strategy" makes sense. The idea of sprawling suburban shopping malls, manufacturing plants, SUVs, and soccer moms in the south is inconceivable. Its pure absolute bigotry, ignorance, and ego.

Like I said the people who believe this (*)(*)(*)(*) are the same people who believe or believed the state by state IQ scam for the same reasons. It appeals to their bigotry, ignorance, and ego.

 

You are absolutely spot on. These lemmings listen to their controllers who get them to believe republicans are nothing but a bunch of racist red necks, when the fact remains those racist remnants are left over from the democrats

There are very few things that are more vile to me than racism, and one of the reasons my visceral contempt for liberals continues

 

To add to excellent points already made, as they have been made here in thread after thread, and never ever refuted by the race-baiters:

1. Nixon was anti busing... along with a vast supermajority of the US voters of all races and social strata. Busing was a horrible expediency, everyone knew it. Conflating that with the claim "Nixon didn't support desegregation of schools" is a plain lie, anyone who repeats such here or elsewhere after reading the following is a dishonorable liar:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=2923

And to ask the race-baiters on this forum a very plain, direct question. Were you a racist, would -you- vote for the man who authored the lengthy, compelling article above? I probably wouldn't, yet the South DID vote for him in a landslide the very next time they got the chance. Puts the lie right there to the bogus "Southern Strategy."

2. The Southern Strategy of luring racists into the GOP is a complete fabrication:

a) the Atwater interview contains about 2 minutes of a psychological hypothetical, complete with adamant disclaimer, where Atwater gives in to the pressure from the hack interviewer and speaks in persona. This is the only section anyone every heard for decades, repeated by leftist hacks again and again, never in context, the same out of context 2 minutes of a 40+ minute interview. The ENTIRETY of the rest of the interview, where Atwater is NOT speaking hypothetically and NOT speaking in persona contains denial after denial, more than a dozen instances, of a race based strategy in the GOP. Anyone who listens to the whole interview and then founds a Southern Strategy argument partially on that single out of context snippet of it is a liar, a dishonorable liar.

http://www.thenation.com/article/17...ers-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy

Note that -despite- the Nation's likely mandatory inclusion (probably to fend off libel suits) of the whole interview, they STILL concentrate only on the out of context 1:40 as opposed to the whole 40 minute thing, proving what persistent liars and disreputable "journalists" they are, and that nothing they publish should every be taken seriously.

b) the constantly cut and paste MLK quote about racism in the GOP was also out of context, and targeted specifically at Goldwater, not the entire GOP. Regardless, a single quote mined MLK quote goes NOWHERE towards legitimate founding of some GOP Southern Strategy as a pervasive, decades long strategy to attract racists.

c) The repeated claim that Reagan started his campaign at Neshoba fairground, a few miles from a civil rights murder indicates a Southern Strategy fails. Reagan mentioned "states rights" once ONCE, in a medium length speech mostly on inflation and the economy. In proper context, Reagan preceded the states rights comment with a comment IN SUPPORT OF WELFARE. Jimmy Carter started his campaign at the NATIONAL HQ OF THE KKK by sheer coincidence, as Reagan's speech in proximity to the civil rights crime was also... sheer coincidence. I can take ANY speaking venue anywhere in the country, and come up with some crime within a short distance. Are people who speak in Chicago condoning the Valentine's Massacre and Al Capone? Are people who speak in NYC condoning 9/11? Of course not. Only to an irrational, hate-filled ideologue would the coincidental fact of where Reagan opened his campaign hold any water at all, and without much more substantive proof, anyone who repeats the "Neshoba" rationale for the SS is a dishonorable liar.

d) as has been previously mentioned in the thread, rising economic tides brought more Southern voters into the GOP. The South had been dirt poor post CW, and once individuals and businesses began to prosper, the party of lower taxes and smaller government held natural appeal. But that's not near the whole story, other factors involved in the migration of Southern voters into the GOP include: disagreement with Roe v Wade and perception of Democrats as the party of abortion; disagreement with the free love hippie radical, feminist, Marxist wing of the Democratic Party. The South perceived the Democrats as the party of libertinism and communism, of smug campus radicals and violent protests; the perception of Democrats as disdainful and disrespectful of the US military... the South is and has always been the cradle of the US military, and derogating that, regardless of feelings on Viet Nam, hit very close to home in the South.

There are MANY other nonracial factors, those are some of the biggies. Anyone who repeats the Southern Strategy myth without solid, historical evidence consisting of more than quote mining and conjecture is a dishonorable liar for all to see.

The FACT is that the Democratic Party left the Southern voter, not the other way around.

There are still racists in the South. Most of them belong to the same mill unions their grandfathers did, attend the same cracker churches their grandfathers did, fly confederate flags and put "South shall rise again" stickers on their trucks. Make no mistake, those people will NEVER vote for the "party of Lincoln." When they can manage to stop beating their wives and drinking long enough, and a black man isn't running, they go straight to the polls and vote Democrat, just like their racist granddaddies did, just like their racist KKK Democrat heritage tells them to do, just like their unions tell them to do. People who vote on race still vote Democrat in the South, they have simply become outnumbered and irrelevant. Democrats they remain though.

The end.

 

And what a success they have been. Overall grades have dropped and the Black boys have suffered the most. The left knows what needs to be done but PC forbids the truth. Black boys learn much better when serrated from white and girls.

Black boys disrupting class rooms is the greatest pediment to learning in this country but the Black boys can't be punished because we understand that Black boys like to act up and the liberal horde doesn't want Black boys to learn because those who do learn become successful and turn into Republicans.

If you think that the dems and the Black leaders aren't racists tell us what they have done to ease racial tension?? What has 0bama done to ease racial tension?

What do you see as the Republicans' racist past?? Asking welfare recipients to work? Wouldn't that imply that you think that all Blacks are on welfare? Resting Black quotes in hiring and school admissions when we know that both have damaged our national productivity and level of education??

When LBJ signed the "War on Poverty" Bill he said that Black would vote for dems for decades and he was right. The bill was a lot like the TARP bill that bought votes from unions.

Dems and progressives hate poor people and they are doing all that then can do to keep Black people poor. All they want Blacks to able to do is vote for dmes. As we saw in Ferguson; when outside and well organized Blacks loot and burn down their own communities the dems just stand back and blame conservatives for not giving the Black thugs like Brown more free stuff.

I agree that most religions are very ******up, The leaders use the human desire to live to capture the human spirit and then make their captive pay them to safeguard a soul that the leaders can't have and be in that position.

Because islam also understands the value of life they threaten life in order to torture and subjugate others. They don't even hold their own lives sacred if they give they up to kill people that they hate.

 

Taxcutter says:
Even more fun fact. Nixon did not need to support it one way or the other. Ike implemented Brown v Board of Education a decade earlier.

What about RFK bugging MLK's home and office with the approval of JFK and LBJ?

 

Most christians my family included are really good decent caring people, my problem with religion is just that, religion, ruled by a few, just like government, and business. I or anyone else will ever change this fact, it is a human condition. I just choose not to participate in it.

Maybe if religion can ever get to a point where it is like the sport teams and their fans in America, they can argue day after day supporting their teams, but at the end of the day, they have yet to start slaughtering each other. I hopefully am not speaking too soon

 

I notice that the purveyors of this lie have fled the thread.

 

This sort of thing is shockingly stupid though. In this day in age, how the Hell does this happen?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/politics/boston-herald-cartoon/index.html

 

It was a genuine mistake on the part of the cartoonist who wasn't thinking 'I know I think I'll destroy my career by generating a racist cartoon!' but was instead thinking 'Okay I need a prop here to make this gag work, snap! My kid uses a watermelon flavored toothpaste. Brilliant!' The Left . . . as it ALWAYS does . . . over-reacted and jumped to conclusions.

 

Nixon not supporting the desegragation of schools.

 

Who said anyone was lying about that?

 

That's not really true. Racism, or how people are viewed has nothing to do with politics. It's just a tool that politicans use to make or defend points. I don't think the GOP is a racist party either jut that they can't sell their message to minorities.

 

That's it. The Left is fantastic of selling the public what ever they want them to know. A good example. Ask 100 people who has held up passing bills for the last year or so and I'll bet you at least 80% will say Republicans because that's what the Left keep preaching, the do nothing Congress, knowing Republicans control Congress.

 

Really? Take a lesson kranes


The Nixon years witnessed the first large-scale integration of public schools in the South.[179] Nixon sought a middle way between the segregationist Wallace and liberal Democrats, whose support of integration was alienating some Southern whites.[180] Hopeful of doing well in the South in 1972, he sought to dispose of desegregation as a political issue before then. Soon after his inauguration, he appointed Vice President Agnew to lead a task force, which worked with local leaders—both white and black—to determine how to integrate local schools. Agnew had little interest in the work, and most of it was done by Labor Secretary George Shultz. Federal aid was available, and a meeting with President Nixon was a possible reward for compliant committees. By September 1970, less than ten percent of black children were attending segregated schools. By 1971, however, tensions over desegregation surfaced in Northern cities, with angry protests over the busing of children to schools outside their neighborhood to achieve racial balance. Nixon opposed busing personally but enforced court orders requiring its use.[181]

In addition to desegregating public schools, Nixon implemented the Philadelphia Plan in 1970—the first significant federal affirmative action program.[182] He also endorsed the Equal Rights Amendment after it passed both houses of Congress in 1972 and went to the states for ratification.[183] Nixon had campaigned as an ERA supporter in 1968, though feminists criticized him for doing little to help the ERA or their cause after his election. Nevertheless, he appointed more women to administration positions than Lyndon Johnson had.[184]

 

What you just said reminds me of a study done a long time ago. A girl was shown two dolls, a white one and a black one. She was then asked which one she wanted. She choice the white one. Then she had to point to the one which closely resembled her skin color. She had to pick the black one.

Because girls don't exist?

My Brother's Keeper Program. The Black Caucus has done a lot of work as well.

What do you see as the Republicans' racist past?? Asking welfare recipients to work? Wouldn't that imply that you think that all Blacks are on welfare? Resting Black quotes in hiring and school admissions when we know that both have damaged our national productivity and level of education??[/QUOTE]


Ironic seeing as how you said Black Boys that wreck classrooms, implying that all Black Boys are troublemakers. If you say that this type of thinking makes someone a racist, then you would be guilty of it as well. And no, the quotas haven't harmed national productivity, seeing as how we're the strongest economy in the world.

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Yet Eisenhower didn't like it either but he still enforced it.

That was Hoover.

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If you're going to quote something, include the link.

 

Because the GOP has been obstructing bills? They're doing it now. Remember the amendment that the Dems wanted that would have dealt with campagain finance reform that was only brought up to stall for time?

 

You sort of have to wonder what in the hell they teach these young leftwingers in U.S. history courses. Probably that George Wallace was a Republican rather than a Democrat.

 

You have made that claim often. Short of him not supporting bussing which is not desegregation and is widely opposed by both sides because of its effect on the local community and is not evidence of supporting segregation you have provided 0 evidence to support your claim.

If you continue to spout this without evidence we will be forced to conclude you are just repeating a lie you heard somewhere.