Racial Profiling

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  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    What exactly is wrong with racial profiling?

    In nations where every person is black, there are significantly higher crime rates, and as a result everyone is more suspicious and fearful of everyone else. But it is not racial profiling because all the people are black. In other words, even if everyone was black, black people would be under the same suspicion.

    Even in many black neighborhoods, many black police officers racially profile their own people!

    Yes, it is an unfortunate fact that a a person should be made the subject of suspicion based on something which they had no control over. Not every black male is "up to no good", yet the innocent ones all get grouped in the same category together with the bad ones. But this is just how things naturally work. If you see a strange woman following you on the street at night, you will likely not be nearly as scared as if it were a man. Is this "fair"? No, but that is just how things work. Men are much more likely to rob or rape. The same can be said for age. Few people would be afraid of a group of 9-year olds following them, or of a very elderly looking man with a walker. Could this not be considered age discrimination? The unfortunate fact is that other blacks ruin the reputation of the good blacks. For better or for worse, racial appearance is like a brand name on humans. Some bad Christians, by committing fraud, violence, or adultery, can tarnish the reputation of all the other Christians. Religious minorities especially must deal with these issues, especially ones that are already suspect: muslims and mormons for example.

    Hispanic taxi union leader urges hispanic taxi drivers to racially profile other hispanics:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/taxi_big_fair_to_profile_0QVhd88HvjGJbruypDUj2L
     
  2. Kranes56

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    Simple. Becuase it's not color of the skin, there are other things that indicate it as well. For instance, clothing style. Walk patterns, are they running, walking, or brisking?
     
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    How would you like it if you got pulled over every day because some cop saw you were white and thought you were a serial killer (Most serial killers are white).......That is what is wrong with it. It causes people to be arrested and pulled over simply because of their race, with absolutely no evidence or cause.
     
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    The color of the skin has a bearing on those things. Young black males are more likely to have a certain clothing style, walk patterns, etc.

    There is nothing wrong with profiling. Young black males commit the most violent crime as a group relative to their population size. It would be absolutely irrational to believe they are just as likely to kill someone as an elderly Asian woman. Sure, it sucks for those young black males who wouldn't hurt a fly when they are looked at suspiciously, but the people they should be getting mad at are their fellow blacks who have tarnished their image.
     
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    White serial killers are a very rare phenomenon that would not require the police to look at all whites suspiciously. Compare this with young black males, who are only 7% of the population, yet commit 40% of the violent crime in the entire country. Not a fair comparison, at all.
     
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    I don't believe in racial profiling but I do believe in profiling.

    There are certain behavior patterns that are indicators that the person exhibiting them is more likely to be a felon. These may be actions, language, dress, etc.

    Only a foolish society ignores the indicators that predict a greater probability of lawbreaking.
     
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    Committing violent crime doesn't necessarily make one a serial killer. I rarely hear of black serial killers.
     
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    Is that a strawman or a non-sequitur? Where did I say committing violent crime necessarily makes someone a serial killer?
     
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    That one when right over your head...
    Good deflection to ignore statistics though, not really :thumbsup:
     
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    Profiling should be done from a statistical point of view, not purely based on race.
     
  11. DevilMayhem666

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    Kinda came off as that.
     
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    So we should suspect all males and all young people of being violent criminals or does the "profiling" only apply to race?
     
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    I wouldn't like it but fortunately, your hypothetical example is nonsense. I had a reporter who had written a story about "driving while black" ride with me on patrol. We saw a car driving carelessly and as I pulled behind it I said, "What race is the driver?" There was an embarrassed silence and finally he said, "I can't tell." Oh, really?

    When "experts" were describing the Beltway Sniper they always said he was probably white because, as you correctly said, they usually are. Didn't get your knickers in a twist, did it? When a car full of young white males is cruising a black neighborhood it's not unusual for them to get stopped because the police consider it likely they're looking to buy drugs. Strangely, they don't whine about "driving while white".

    Now, tell me, Daggdag, when a young black male is killed, what is the most likely race of the killer? So, if you're sent to a convenience store on a shooting of a black male and as you arrive you see a black teen walking east and an elderly white woman walking west, who would you stop? No matter which, you might be wrong but which would you stop based on the odds?

    I fired a gay man. He told everyone that I fired him for being gay. I fired him for falsifying his timesheet to collect pay for time he wasn't working. I was sued for not hiring a woman when the person I did hire was a woman but was the wrong women. It must be really nice to have a built in excuse for all of your failures.

    Most of the black people I've dealt with in my life were far more fair and accepting of personal responsibility than are liberals. It's a shame we don't have a black president who could help move the post-racial America along instead of keeping it bogged down in the fifties.
     
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    Can you think of any other young male group that comprises 7% of the population, yet commits 40% of violent crime? I can't. It's unique to black males.
     
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    Yes, the big picture would state that europeans commit 40% of violent crime[wars] around the globe and are only 7% of the world pop. I think young so called black males in America have very bad role models in govt and multi-corporations.
     
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    So old black women shouldn't be suspected? Which means the OP which referred only to "blacks" generally was wrong? Which is my point.

    Young males in general commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime. Males in general commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime. Young people in general commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime.

    So why the focus exclusivly on race? Could it be the people calling for the profiling could have young male sons but not black ones?

    America doesn't have a black problem, it has a race problem. The racism flys in all directions and until you resolve that, you'll continue to have the same old problems.
     
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    I never said that profiling would be limited exclusively to race. 1)Young 2)black 3)males are the most likely to commit crime, so I'm in favor of profiling young black males. Young males in general are already looked at as more of a threat than old females, so that's not really a point that needs to be addressed. We're talking about racial profiling here, and most people will assume that we are talking primarily about black males.

    What you are arguing for is that we simply stop acknowledging things like crime statistics. It isn't rational to ignore statistics that state that black males, who are approximately 7% of the US population, commit almost 1 out of every 2 acts of violent crime. It's not rational to not suspect them more of being violent, when the data clearly suggests that they are.

    What you do think is more important than what you should think. Don't forget that.
     
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    White people make up about 7% of the population yet commit 90% of the murders.

    WW 1 35 million
    WW 2 50 million
    European Holocaust 6 million
    Iraq 1 million
    Vietnam 3 million

    Total 94 million

    rest of the world - 3million
     
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    It's about 16% not 7%. Where did you get that number?
     
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    Globally???
     
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    So what? If a guy has a knife and running at me, then I'm going to be on alert, white, black or pokka dot.
     
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    okay, 10 % then, that means they are responsible for 85% of world wide murders.
     
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    14-15% seems reasonable. There are more murders in Africa but it's mainly due to to religious superstition purposes.
     
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    That's incorrect. During WW 1 and 2 an estimated 70 million ppl were murdered. That makes africa look like paradise. I think you have been brainwashed. 70 million! The biggest war in Africa was the Congo war which had 5 million casualties. 70> 5. Look at the stats.
     

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