Record for time in office before impeachment is filed? Biden!

Who decides what is legal and illegal? Who is responsible for writing and passing legislation? The crooks have been enriching themselves, monopoly corporations and foreign leaders for a couple generations, and they steal our money to assist them in their corruption.

 

Excellent point. In reality, impeachment has never been about criminality -- it has always been about the Congress getting enough swamp dwellers to agree to vote for it, since the Constitution essentially does allow them to make up the rules as they go along. Of course the last guy to be impeached actually was impeached over a crime he committed while in office. True to form, hyperpartisanship kept the letch and his cigars in the oval. He was disbarred, of course, so there was a modicum of justice there...

 

It won't stick. It is totally symbolic. A more serious filing will be made in January 2023 when Republicans have the House majority.

Expect Biden to be the first president to be impeached a minimum of three times.

 

While that is true- I hope you aren't saying that what happens with policy is never dishonest or unfair?
Hell, they will be making dissent illegal if they can.

 

I guess any narrative is as good as any other. Always have to have an excuse.

 

She's impeaching Biden for a conspiracy theory, which began with Giuliani, was accepted by Trump, and was mentioned on the infamous "perfect call."

It has to be the dumbest conspiracy theory ever devised. What is being charged is a matter of public record; one item I've linked to a couple times now.

Biden was vice president. The vice president works for the president. Everything the vice president does, is done in execution of White House policy. If the policy is impeachable, then the impeachment must be against Obama. Biden cannot be impeached for carrying out legal US policy, at the direction of POTUS.

As I've linked, getting Shokin fired was also the official bi-partisan policy of the Senate committee. So, again, if the policy is impeachable, Ron Johnson should face the same consequences.

This information is publically available, and there is plenty of reporting to accompany it. The only reason someone would not seek the truth is fear of it. For this reason, I support this whacked out QAnon woman bringing the stupidity to light. Let's show everyone the reality of matter, and how unfit this woman is for office.

 

I don't argue the validity of it at all- the point is that when you set a precedent, it usually comes back to annoy you as well.
I don't know enough about her to compare to AOC or some of the squad, but we both know there's a lot of people in office we wouldn't trust to fetch water, and would probably botch the job if we did.

 

Do you dispute that Biden leveraged a foreign country with US tax dollars and then bragged about it on TV? Because those are actual real facts.

 

We'll see if the Republicans will have a House majority. Sure, mid-terms are tough, but if the Republican party continues to screw up by supporting a wannabe fascist and doesn't sever ties with him, don't count so fast on this House majority.

 

No. I was direct, not deep.

Biden was carrying out the official policy of the US government, specifically, that of his boss, Barack Obama. Indirectly, he was also carrying out the official policy of the US Senate, the IMF and many EU countries.

Biden was doing his job. It's really that simple. Not impeachable.

 

The public record disputes it. As does the entire world.

 

I don’t dispute it at all. What I do dispute is the characterization as a corrupt attempt to help his son. There is no proof of that. In fact, if you had watched the impeachment hearings, you would have heard about how this was part of a larger Russian intelligent agency hatched narrative to help the Trump and protect the reputation of the Russians. I thing it backfired on both fronts. The reason that no legitimate news source gave voice to the Hunter Biden laptop conspiracy was because the plot had been exposed the year before, during the hearings. Yes they were long and boring with constant inane interruptions by the likes of Jim Jordan, John Ratcliffe, and Devin Nunes, but they laid out the corruption of the Trump and the insanity of Rudy Giuliani.

 

You are aware I didn't even speak to that- only that things you do come back and are done to you. The action of course won't get past first base, but you can bet it won't be the last rock thrown on the road. I think how far that goes depends upon how abusive the administration chooses to be. Right now, I think they are going to be making many more problems than they solve. Assuming they get around to the things that actually need solving. They have a chance, and a choice. We shall see if they are smart enough to do the right thing.

 

If Biden unilaterally leveraged a foreign government with our tax dollars -- which you acknowledge he did, then he indeed did commit a criminal act. For which he should have been criminally prosecuted while a private citizen.

 

Obviously. "I was direct, not deep."

Oooookay...

Are you derailing your own thread? I though we were discussing impeachment. The executive branch has no control over impeachment. Your comments on the administration seem to be off topic.

 

. . . the only thing he pushed for, that we know of, was the official position of the United States. He made no mention of his son, whom, according to Ukraine, wasn't actually under investigation himself. If he leveraged a foreign government with our tax dollars for a personal favor (aka "Pulling a Trump"), then yeah, he should be criminally prosecuted. So far, however, there is no evidence of that.

 

Go with that one. Apparently one narrative is as good as any. It is the way of Republican politics.

 

I really don't know what is so hard for some people to understand. Caps maybe?

BIDEN WAS THE VICE-PRESIDENT

The vice-president does not have the power to withhold funding even if he wanted to. This is the insanity of QAnon. Dumbest conspiracy theory I've ever seen.

 

If Biden this, if Biden that...if...if...if.

Reality is optional for some folk.

 

You acknowledged he did leverage a foreign government with our tax dollars -- a criminal offense regardless of if he did it on behalf of his son or not. But it just turns out he was leveraging them to fire the prosecutor who was investigating the company of which his son was not only a board member, but was handsomely remunerated for his "services." Now you are backpedaling.

 

[QUOTE="spiritgide, post: 1072396136, member: 70923"]If one looks at the world of politics without buying the facade, it's clear that it's a very dirty game, that consists of compromises of character and a lot of unsavory things. I doubt a genuinely honest and patriotic person could stomach it, let alone last. Joe's been at it 45 years, knows every trick in the book. A line from the "Steel Magnolias" movie says it well; "Why would anyone do something illegal, when you can do so many dishonest things legally?"

The people who are best at that skill are politicians and lawyers.... what's more, nobody knows better how to do the illegal as well, without getting caught.[/QUOTE]
Except businessmen.....aren't you one of those?

 

How was this illegal? His son wasn't being investigated. It wasn't a personal favor . . . unlike in the case of Trump . . . who (after withholding the funds in a way that his own administration admitted was probably illegal) directed Ukraine to his PERSONAL lawyer to aid in investigation that said attorney admitted was for PERSONAL benefit. Don't worry about trying to respond. I've asked Trumpists to do so dozens of times. They always fail..

 

Looks like Greene The Nutjob is getting in trouble again from spouting nonsensical conspiracy theories:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-congresswoman-under-fire-spreading-200423382.html

 

I find it quite incredible that this FACT is not further publicized: the Burisma probe by the prosecutor's office ended two full years before Hunter Biden was hired by the company. And guess what? It ended by the company pleading guilty. There wasn't anything else left to investigate. So, Biden's executing his boss' policies (and Obama did that as requested by the European Union, the government of the United Kingdom, and the International Monetary Fund) had strictly nothing to do with his son. Also, they conveniently forget two things: one, that the prosecutor was ousted for NOT investigating corruption, the exact opposite of what the conspiracy theory says. Two, even in that video they present as "proof" Biden narrates that when the Ukrainian official doubted that he was serious, he said, "it comes from Obama; call Obama."

There is not a single kernel of truth in this accusation that Biden acted out of his son's interest in this matter. None. It's just a laughable conspiracy theory, debunked multiple times.

But if you confront a conspiracy theorist with facts, it doesn't make any difference. The person will either deny the facts, or repeat the baseless claims, or move the goalposts. It's completely useless to address this with facts.

Now, this said, I do feel that Hunter Biden is an unsavory individual. While not illegal, it is unethical to accept a job being offered to you not due to your qualifications (which he lacked) but due to your last name. However, the narration that his father got him that job is also a baseless conspiracy theory. Actually Biden was surprised and hurt when he learned that Hunter was accepting a job with that company. Witnesses say that Hunter told his father in a party, and Biden was shocked and extremely annoyed, and harshly told his son "I hope you know what you're doing!"

What happened is that Burisma made a bad hiring decision. They hired Hunter for a top salary, in the hope of getting special treatment. That special treatment never materialized. There was no decision by the Office of the Vice-President or by the President himself, in favor of that company. None. And how do we know this? Not only because it's been looked up on both sides of the pond and nothing was found, but also because if something like that had happened, the Republicans would be screaming bloody murder and showing proof. So, that bum Hunter just sat there, collecting his money. Unsavory and unethical but not illegal.

So, short of having anything to show as a smoking gun to validate their conspiracy theory, they clung to the firing of this prosecutor and inverted the reason for the firing, and tried to peg it to Hunter although the investigation of the company had ended more than 2 years before Hunter was hired.

I don't doubt that Hunter is a flawed individual - unethical, alimony-dodger, substance abuser. But he doesn't hold elected office. The maximum that Joe Biden can be berated about for his adult son's (50 years old!) shortcomings is bad parenting. Not even, because his other two children were outstanding individuals, so, Hunter is just the bad apple that many families have.

 

Read the link I gave you.

Congress. Like the committee in the link I gave you.

Sorry to hear that. I'm doing well, myself.