Regarding the recent gun bill defeat.

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    And in doing so, you aren't saying anything meaningful.
    Just saying.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    And rightly so.

    Good - that's why we elected them.
     
  3. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    :yawn:
    This was settled 8 years ago:

    The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

    You're wrong. Accept it, get over it, move on.

    Your opinion, ignorant as it is, does not translate to a Constitutional limitation on the right to keep and bear arms.

    Absolute nonsense.

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    Said no rational, thoughtful person, ever.
     
  4. robini123

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    You make it sound like the GOP is doing the bidding of the NRA which if true is troubling to some.
     
  5. TOG 6

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    :clapping:
    This is, of course, why we give money to the NRA and elect Republicans to Congress.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    What is wrong with giving We the People "too much power"?

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    And there hasn't been a single instance of tyranny as a result and not a single gun has ever been needed.
     
  7. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's been settled by the SCOTUS.
     
  8. rahl

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    They didn't target a certain group. They denied tax exempt status to political groups, some of which were democrats.
     
  9. TOG 6

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    Mateen passed a Federal background check. Two in fact, just before the shooting, and several others prior.
     
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    Nonsense!

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    All of the evidence points to that being the case.
     
  11. Professor Peabody

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    The fact they did is not deniable as they have already apologized for doing it. Who has been held accountable by being brought up on civil rights charges?
     
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    Again, it was your narrow view of events wherein all must conform to your preconceived notions that came up with the government gig. But then again, it may not be out of the question.
     
  13. perdidochas

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    Nothing, that is what I'm advocating--the people, not the government, having power. Tyranny happens when we give the government too much power. That said, we can have a tyranny of the people if we have a pure democracy where majority rules without having minority rights. The Constitution is really about keeping power from becoming centralized in any one group, even the people, but especially the government.
     
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    Sorry but do you approve of monied interests buying your government??
     
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    There is no strawman, that is malarkey. That 2nd Amendment means nothing as it doesn't apply but to those that believe in the concept of slavery.

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    Don't read much do you? Especially history!
     
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    But the best way of doing that is to become active in knocking and speaking to elected officials NOT sitting at home with a gun - like many gun advocates believe
     
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    This isn't any more coherent than the first post I quoted.

    Can you please explain what you are talking about?
     
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    Which proves a low predictive index for the background checks and further reinforces the argument for a generalised restriction
     
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    Never been tyranny? History is full of examples and we are not immune.
     
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    Clearly, you do not understand what "freedom of speech" means here.
     
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    Thus insuring the chance for tyranny.
     
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    Predictive index? :roflol:

    A background checks stops a gun purchase because the prospective purchaser has committed a crime or otherwise had his right to own a gun legally removed, not because he might commit a future crime.

    In a free society, the state does not deny your rights because you "might " do something.
     
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    I would say that was more the majority opinion (democracy?) of those mystical beings in their black robes but they settle nothing. Only the "people" can settle things.

    "However, no statutory or constitutional court (whether it be an appellate or supreme court) can second guess the judgment of a court of record. “The judgment of a court of record whose jurisdiction is final, is as conclusive on all the world as the judgment of this court would be. It is as conclusive on this court as it is on other courts. It puts an end to inquiry concerning the fact, by deciding it." Ex parte Watkins, 3 Pet., at 202-203. [cited by SCHNECKLOTH v. BUSTAMONTE, 412 U.S. 218, 255 (1973)]"
     
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    Multiple audits conducted under the Clinton administration prove you are lying about where their money comes from.

    It has long since been proven to come more from.donations and membership dues.

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    The second amendment has nothing to do with slavery
     
  25. Derideo_Te

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    As I recall the IRS senior manager is charge was fired even though it was proven that there was no bias in how the IRA was handling that tax filings.

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    I am just holding up a mirror to what you are posting. :roflol:
     

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