Regretting An Abortion.

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How many women would have a Second Abortion?

  1. All of them. It's their body, and their choice. Let them have as many abortions as they want!

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    64.3%
  2. Most of them regret the first one, and would probably not have another one.

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    35.7%
  1. Bob Newhart

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    This is nonsensical reasoning.

    There are two possibilities:

    1. The baby/fetus/whatever is a living human being and the woman has to justify murder in order to have an abortion.

    2. The baby/fetus/whatever is not a living human being and the woman needs no more reason to have an abortion than to get a wart removed.

    So, why would a woman not want to get a wart removed? Did she always want a wart? Or does she think it might make her look better?

    Seriously? A woman doesn't want to abort an unwanted pregnancy? Of course she does!

    The only question is: Does she think it's murder? If she does, then she'll have regrets. If she doesn't, she won't. It's that simple.

    Sometimes she'll regret the decision if she thinks she actually wanted a child - kinda like regretting a plastic surgery.
     
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    Yup, some women regret it. Not many. Some.
     
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    And regret more the circumstances that led them to have to make that decision
     
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    You cite from Pro-Abortion I cite from Anti-Abortion.

    Lack of rebuttal noted
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I did rebutt. Your citation states "that 95% of women who had abortions did not regret them five years later". I believe the actual quote was women said they made the right decision, not that they didn't regret it.
     
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    Happy to post from peer reviewed research

    Mind you - define “regret” I mean I have regretted buying certain shoes, a bathing suit that turned my boobs into a lopsided speed bump and don’t even go there with the mushroom hat!
     
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    agree, but, they do not want one before they need it, but when they need it, they want it asap

    most Abortion in the US ironically are had by Christians
     
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    Irrelevant given that the overwhelming majority of Americans profess to be Christians of one form or the other.
     
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    Okay we will make it white christians

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    You are using a series of multi-syllabic words describing this paper, in a post to someone who thinks his personal experience is a far more accurate reflection of reality than any paper could be. This was not going to be a successful colloquay.
     
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    "peer reviewed" does not carry the once vaunted "then it IS a true and accurate study" anymore as such peers have the say agenda's these days.

    This is about regretting killing a baby. I can fully understand the regret that may come of that. Are you saying women are so callus they do not?
     
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    Peer review quality depends on the quality of the journal and I can assure you I know how to assess that! But if one is available I will happily cite a systematic review

    what I am saying is that “regret” is a highly subjective term
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0272735803000928

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782408003697
     
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    I wasn't citing my self you know............

    Funny how in abortions threads the pro-abortion states what a hard decision to make and the emotions involved and it is such a personal matter because of that. Then when it suits them change to "heck no different than regretting buying a bathing suit".

    One study has been cited and if you search it is the ONLY study that makes such a claim about 95% of women could careless about the abortion they had. And that study has been shown to be quite flawed in it's methodology as noted below.

    Abortion Regrets: A Sad Reality for Many Women

    Choosing abortion as the way to deal with an unplanned pregnancy is not a decision to be entered into lightly. While at first it may seem like the easiest way to escape a confusing and scary situation, it can leave scars that last a lifetime.

    One study, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8334275/, found that 44% of respondents regretted their decision to get an abortion. Among their emotional symptoms, women in the study cited depression, feelings of loss, shame and even negative feelings when they were around other babies. 42% of those women said the adverse psychological effects continued for 10 years or more.

    In online testimonials, one woman shared, “The morning after (the abortion) was done, I immediately felt empty. I felt like something was missing. I cried myself to sleep every night after. I could not get out of bed.” She went on to say, “I know God has forgiven me but I can’t seem to forgive myself.”

    Another woman, reflecting on her abortion from 38 years ago, shared, “I held on to that trauma for 24 years before God started to show me I needed healing from this. That abortion was the root of many poor decisions I made in my life. The poor self esteem I carried. Never feeling good about myself…My abortion was the worst decision I ever made.”

    It’s devastating to hear stories like these, especially when they never needed to happen. Even if it may feel like it in the moment, abortion is rarely the only option available to women.
    https://siragainesville.com/abortion-regrets-a-sad-reality-for-many-women/

    And as noted in National Review

    A Flawed Study Claims that Few Women Regret Abortion

    From 2008 to 2010, Turnaway Project researchers sought participants at more than 30 abortion facilities located in 21 U.S. states and found 667 women who obtained abortions to participate. However, less than 38 percent of the women they asked actually agreed to take part in the study. It seems likely that the women who made themselves available for the study might have had either a higher level of decisional certainty or fewer moral qualms about obtaining an abortion, skewing the results.

    Additionally, the Turnaway study tracked study participants over a five-year time period. Over time, a significant percentage of the women who originally agreed to participate either could no longer be contacted or refused to answer follow-up surveys. The new Social Science and Medicine article tries to downplay this fact, stating that 71 percent of the women completed an interview in the final two years of the study. However, a 2017 article in JAMA Psychiatry that used Turnaway-study data indicated that only 58.4 percent of participants had responded to a survey five years after it began. This information further skews the results, as it is likely that women who disappeared from the survey were experiencing more psychological suffering than women who responded.

    Interestingly, another recent study adds to the body of research showing that some women do suffer psychologically after obtaining an abortion. Paul Sullins of the Catholic University of America published an article last November in the Swiss journal Medicina. This study was unique because it was able to analyze results from women who obtained abortions of wanted pregnancies. Such abortions typically occur when the mother wants the child but obtained an abortion after being pressured by either her parents or her partner. Using data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Adolescent to Adult Health, the Sullins study found that any abortion increased the risk of depression, anxiety, or suicidality, but the risk was much higher following an abortion of one or more wanted pregnancies. Of course, studies of this sort typically receive scant media coverage.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-flawed-study-claims-that-few-women-regret-abortion/
     
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    Are you using Google scholar? I think not as you clearly have difficulty identifying what is a peer reviewed paper

    Within minutes of searching I found not one but two systematic reviews - there were more
     
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    Just did and lots of articles discussing the regret that IS associated with abortion.

    Only one claims 95% of women could care less about the abortion they received.
     
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    I don't think regret is so "subject", are there degrees of regret yes.

    And again it is simply my opinion most women are not as callus as you would make them out to be.

    Don't even you think this 95% claim is highly questionable with all the other research out there.
     
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    people regret what boyfriend\girlfriend they dated in the past, people regret eating too much at thanksgiving dinner, the list goes on

    more regret giving a child up for Adoption then those that Aborted and never brought a child into this world
     
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    I wasn't referring to you in the post you are quoting. I was talking about someone else.
     
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    Oops, my bad............
     
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    THAT is not my cite, I was refuting that cite which is the OP cite.
     
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    So what? And I have no reason to believe you assertion about adoption and abortion. Why would someone regret not killing the baby more than someone who killed their baby? Where is the logic in that? Which would be the deeper regret?
     
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    "So what?"

    that is the point, So what?, it's not your choice, it's not my choice, it's not the government's choice... it's the woman's choice

    if she makes a choice and regrets it, that is on her, if you force your choice on her, that is on you - in a free country, we choose for ourselves

    don't people that support the rapist have regret for forcing a rape victim to have their rapists baby

    because giving up a baby to adoption could mean a life of abuse, they do not know what happened to that baby they did not want to have and gave away to a potential pedophile - they will always wonder
     
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    I am sorry, I thought you quoted Psychologist Confirms Many Women Regret Their Abortions, Experience Mental Health Problems which dishonestly stated "that 95% of women who had abortions did not regret them five years later", when the actual wording was they felt they made the right choice.
     
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