Religion is not a uniter, it is a divider.

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  1. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    I have to say...after reading this thread I am more to the conclusion that Atheism breeds totaltariaism.
     
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    If we were all christians, no, the human race could not further itself.

    If we are to travel to the stars, things like the human life span must be increased. With christianity, I can see people saying no, we shouldn’t be playing 'god'.

    This has already happened with stemcell research.

    Does this make sense to you? Do you think the human race should just stay on this rock and not spread life to other parts of the galaxy and possibly the universe?

    UNITED, we can accomplish great things. United w/o religion that is.
     
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    to reduce the division you would no longer be a divided form the religions if you joined them if you all joined the same religion and believed the same about it

    There would be even less division

    People being different makes us divided people believing some things are more important than unity including you and me keep us divided
     
  4. Incorporeal

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    Links to the Google homepage is your tactic. When I click on either link I provided, the associated link transferred me to the appropriate page.... BTW... the appropriate page was and is not the Google homepage. Try again hotshot.
     
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    i don’t believe ending religion will untie the human race into a rational harmonious group I don’t believe being totality rational is a good thing
     
  6. rstones199

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    This

    brings me to the google homepage.

    Thats 2 links in a row that doesnt work for you..I didnt even bother clicking on the other link in this post.
     
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    'cuz the link is soooooooooooo relevant.
     
  8. rstones199

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    Interesting. 'Totality rational'. Individually I would agree. Some of the greatest minds had a few screws lose so to speak. But as a race, rationality is the way to go
     
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    Obviously you have a problem with your computer or with your ability to recognize that the page that it renders is NOT the "Google homepage".
     
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    Whatever....

    moving on, why are you againts the human race?
     
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    Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
    :giggle:
     
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    Religion (christianity, scientology, islam, judiasm, and mormanism) is the MAIN reason for just about everything wrong in this world

    I never heard of wiccans, buddists, athiests or agnositcs murdering, raping, being sexists, and being racist because toward other people because they thought differently

    Yet these same buddists, wiccans, athiests, and agnostics were murdered, tortured to death by the "forgiving" religions like christianity, and islam
     
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    Have youu any proof that I am against the human race, other than your personal opinion and your dislike toward me?
     
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    Do you deny that you have said in the past that you would not put your faith in mankind?
     
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    Among mankind, when is 'forgiveness' granted?
     
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    When the US Government forgives the debt that other nations owe us.

    And the above link is one just one EXAMPLE of 'forgiveness' of the debt other countrys owe us.
     
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    Hotshot... you might want to back pedal a little bit, back to around 1933 and do lots of study.. Find out what happened to all the Gold and Silver in this country... but that is all another story for a different thread and different PF section other than 'religion'.

    I suppose that your link is suppose to explain how the US has a National debt. Money owed by the US. Owed to who? Well of course... foreign countries and the IMF (International Monetary Fund). Do lots of research on that subject.... hotshot.
     
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    Has nothing to do with the actual act. Its has everything to do with what you said about forgiviness:


     
  19. Incorporeal

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    The point you attempted to make is so full of holes it reminds me of a piece of Swiss Cheese. If you knew anything about the national debt and the how the US obtains a lot of its funding, you would realize that your comment was a complete waste of space.

    http://chartsbin.com/view/549
     
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    You're right. I don't understand your militant aggression towards spirituality and faith. You call us dividers and yet you are the one setting the boundaries.

    Religion without science and science without religion is like a song half sung, a story half told.

    Then move, you're in the way.

    You're just a wedge.

    Man is both naturally socially and religious.

    A horribly inaccurate and bigoted representation of history. Yes, did the Catholic Church do some bad things, but the Dark Ages were a result of many things. Plus, religion if anything preserved information and knowledge when all other lights were extinguished. Then look at the Middle East where the Islamic scholars were flourishing while Western Europe was floundering from disease and war.

    That it can be used to cure some things, but fetus's shouldn't be farmed. Adult stem cells are just as miraculous. In fact, the Masons (specifically the Cryptic Masons Medical Research Foundation) have a charity aimed around stem cell research as well as cardio-vascular research. If you know anyone who has a star-cluster clamp from an angio-oriented surgery, thank a Mason (who are required to be men of God).
     
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    Hmmmm...divider anyone?

    You think religion is the only cause for troubles for mankind? You are delusional.

    Self-interest is the primary root of all problems.
     
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    Let me tell you a little story: In my hometown - a short time before the war in Iraq started - some Catholics, Lutherians, Baptists, Christians of another protestant or orthodox denomination, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists prayed together for the peace in this world - specially because of the very difficult beginning warpath of the USA and the Iraq.

    It was a very cold winter evening and I was astonished how many people came and the lights of the stars above was there and a lot of light was in the souls of the people as light was in the eyes of the children. Somehow we all were like little children. We knew we had no chance - but we also knew we are doing the right thing.
    I remember the beautiful voice of the Rabbi - I remember the voice of a Mulims praying the Lords prayer - I remember the words of a buddhist ... and so on ... In the end we were not successfull - war wan, peace lost - but this is not the end. The people of gods will have perhaps no other chance than to die with open eyes in this world here - but we are not able to give up as long as god is not allowing us to give up.

    http://youtu.be/rGC4a40om8Q
     
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    That's really a very good argument - because the most secular humanists are indeed pro abortion. But to be a humanist and to be pro-abortion seems indeed to exclude each other. Something seems to be wrong with the logic of the most secular humanists.

    http://youtu.be/KLUs98EMVNU
     
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    If a woman took the risk to get on her own free will pregnant then this is the decision over her own body. You can see the pregnancy as part of this contract.

    You are right in a special way: The christian religion is not able - under no circumstances - to agree with you in any point of abortion as long as it is completly clear - and it is completly clear how Felicity showed - that a human being is always a human being - also in case if it is a fetus. The genetical difference between a fetus and any other human being is absolutelly the same difference as between two yet born human beings. From this point of view nothing gives anyone the right to say that a fetus is not a human being and as a human being a fetus has the same rights as every other human being.

    So the problem is now that Christians are not able to subsumize your opinion under the category "christian religion" and so the result is division. In this case abortion divides us in different parts of the mankind because Christians are only able to follow the way of life and never the way of death.

    http://youtu.be/d48PPre9FgM
     
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    Again....you ORIGINAL POST has nothing to do with what you said above.
     

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