Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?

The reigning theory of origins is that the universe began to exist.

Was the universe caused or uncaused?

 

FMPOV.
There is no special legislation except that which says not to discriminate without a just cause.

What special rights are you talking about? If you mean marriage, that is not special. Everyone is born with that right. That right is the one homophobes deny them.

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DL

 

Quite the compliment to give Gentiles. That condition I see as almost everyone having.

We are a good, kind and altruistic species.

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DL

 

Yes.

What you describe is child abuse and I agree that that is what it is. Jesus tells us to seek God yet parents force feed their God to their children knowing full well that all they are are myths.

[video=youtube;KUwjNBjqR-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUwjNBjqR-c[/video]

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DL

 

Ok. Christianity is not responsible for the Inquisition. You show how your morals have been corrupted by your religion. You are no longer a good person as you will not fight evil.

[video=youtube;PY8fjFKAC5k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PY8fjFKAC5k[/video]

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DL

 

If they hide their information it is likely because they know they are wrong.

One who knows he is right steps up proudly.

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DL

 

Marriage is a set of benefit that is used to regulate relationship between man and woman, gay relationship do not need to be regulated since gays are not responsible for their sexual activity.
If you provide special benefits to a group of people that has nothing to do with marriage (regulation) that means you grant them special rights.
If you do no understand it, then religion is much much better and far advanced than your perception of reality.

 

Religion's main focus should be morals and ethics. Right?

Those issues and myself do not care how the universe started. A powerful God is not necessarily a moral God and logic says that if there was a God that created, he would be amoral and we should not be following an amoral God as our human morals would be better than his.

Morals are created for species that live in groups. A God alone would not need or develop morals.

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DL

P.S. Can we prove that the universe did not start this way?
No we cannot.

[video=youtube;RmD9ZWDUsNY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmD9ZWDUsNY&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

I understand it as your religion discriminating without a just cause.

Show the just cause and I will join you.

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DL

 

These god versus no god arguments are like two bald men fighting over a comb.

Death from our state is unknowable. God from our state is unknowable. So we have something which is unknowable, and people fight and argue over it, each claiming with such certainty, that they KNOW. LOL.

And obviously neither side have enough intelligence to recognize this fact. For it is a fact. But please, let the village idiots continue to argue, but do not expect any coherence to come from either side.

 

Actually they have the same responsibilities as every other married couples. And they have equal rights, not special.

 

We teach and encourage the true church of God so that people can understand and distinguish between fairy tales and true God.

Humanist is also a form of religion one has to be able to identify and follow the right and true religion.

Humanist lack the quality and moral standard to be moral and tolerant to homosexuals, women and minorities. What moral standard do humanist based themselves to say what is and what is not tolerant especially when it comes to homosexuality, same sex, abortion, right to die, right to live etc.?

Literal reading not only of certain religious faith but of humanist philosophy are all based on some degree of extremism. Religion has been around since the dawn of time and has been instrumental in shaping human history humanism is part of that religious evolution.

That was the reason why ancestors of today's rabbi back then the Pharisees had Jesus Christ put to death.

And what was and is the deeper meaning........
"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Most of the great conquerors of ancient times did it for themselves and later made themselves gods it was their own human greed and lust for power, wealth and dominance towards others that made them did what they did waged wars against others the the temples and pyramids that were build were for themselves.

Yes many religions are fairy tales we know there is no such thing as Zeus, Thor, Neptune etc. but we did learn about the one True God Jesus Christ.

 

Mr. Hitchen's hatred for Christianity runs deep that he attack Mother Teresa just because she is a catholic nun working for the poor. This is the reason why individuals such as Hitchen lacks moral standard

[video=youtube;oVZnwZdh-iM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZnwZdh-iM[/video]

 

And was first proposed by an ordained Jesuit priest. There is zero conflict between Science and Religion, at least to your larger and more sane Faiths. The little ones, well, maybe that's why they're little, yes?

 

Gotta love the "fairy tales" we refer to as religion.

 

Where in the Beatitudes does it say that " Blessed are Those Who Persecute Others" or "Blessed Are Those Who Make Victims of Rape or Incest bear the assailants Children"

You miss the whole point of Rabbi Hillel (who was certainly no Pharisee) and the Beatitudes too. Religion should make you a BETTER person, not a more Judgmental one and certainly not a meaner or more hateful and bigoted one, but many so-called religious use religion to justify just those things.

What MAKES Jesus the One True God, beyond just your saying he is. How does Jesus differ from Zeus, Krishna, Buddha, et al, what is the essential difference?

 

Unfortunately for you....that is exactly what they do.

 

Morality isn't complicated for me and most rationalists it comes down to this does it harm me and does it harm others (community, society, other people) if it does harm then its unethical and immoral far more often than not. No need for holy books and complex strictures once you do that you muck what is really not that hard.

As for what to do about religion I would simply do this:

1. Treat as mental cruelty if adults teach a minor child about hell fire or other beliefs which could cause mental harm and yes I mean arrest said adults for child abuse regardless of who they are.

2. Since joining a religion formally is a oral contract with obligations require it may only be done at the age of eighteen or higher, Baptism I would deem a harmless superstition on its own but not circumcision again the Jewish boy would need to wait until eighteen to get snipped or its child abuse unless done for a clear medical reason.

3. Require all religious private schools K-12 to pay for one science teacher and one other teacher to instruct in Evolution, Science and Critical Thinking with Comparative Religion (the general study of other faiths) that are certified by the State and not religious to give the children a broader perspective. Homeschoolers would have to pay for this for enough hours to matter to be allowed to home school but could pay for a certain number of hours of such education. Amish young people would need so many hours of such education before they turn sixteen.

That would likely do the job of weaning people off of religion just make sure the children are not as indoctrinated as they are now, and protect them from religious extreme positions.

 

I hear you but do you not have a duty to humanity to try to correct foolish thinking because of the harm it does?

Have a look at some of what follows and give your opinion.

For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.

Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.

How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?

Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.

We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.

It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg

They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.

African witches and Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI

Jesus Camp 1of 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE

For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

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DL

 

Let's talk about Jesus and the immoral tack you have taken.

Human sacrifice is evil and your God demanding one and accepting one is evil.

You trying to profit from that evil is evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.

Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.

Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?

In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.

Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?

For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?
If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice.

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DL

 

In what area?

Be specific please.

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DL

 

Love them!

In case yours was not a tongue in cheek remark.

In spite of all the evil and damage they have done and continue to do?

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DL

 

Good points but how in hell do we get governments more involved in policing the harm that religions do, especially when in the U.S., religions tell our politicians what their policies will be and politicians are kissing religions ass?

I have this running --- http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...aw-against-public-institutions-lie-money.html

but people seem reluctant to even state that charities and religions are lying to us and are immoral in thei greed and lies.

How do we push our governments to act against such a large part of the community?

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DL

 

No where in the Beatitudes said that"Blessed Are Those Who Make Victims of Rape or Incest bear the assailants Children" those are words of man not Jesus Christ.

There is no doubt there are many religions that advocate violence especially those that are from men who claim they are gods communism is one of the worse form of man made religion.

Zeus is a fairy tale everyone knows that, Krishna is a Hindu deity that is based on mythological story dates as far back as 3000 BC, Buddha is said to be a holy men who seek spiritual perfection through humanism to attain spiritual perfection and Jesus Christ is the Son of God with his actual historical presence with us 4 BC leaving behind historical legacy that would be instrumental in leading the world to modernization and further growth of humanism towards God.

 

You failed to provide one example of an eternal and perfect being who created the universe. What you mentioned are spirits and gods who have deficiencies, and share their thrones with other gods.

God does mot need the help of other gods in the running of His creation.