Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?

But Reality fits the same bill you use for the word "god:"


1. Something can't come from nothing.

2. Only an eternal entity, like Reality, can defy rule #1.

3. Reality is eternal.

4. Reality's eternity necessitates Him to be perfect, as we so find him.

5. Reality is the perfect creator, and can thus create something from nothing.

 

You have already made up your mind that following Jesus Christ is immoral. So who is more moral than Jesus Christ that you consider?

God stop the practice of the evil act of human sacrifice.

There is no profit in evil only hell is the end game for that or for the none religious evil will only led to more evil.

If one of your children becomes evil and committed a crime against you neighbor as a good parent you will not defend your evil child instead you will punish your evil child you will ask your good child to help you apprehend your evil child. You will ask your good child to help the offended neighbor to help them get back on their feet for the crime committed against them by your other evil child instead of ignoring them.

A good parent will punished the child that is evil not the good child. God did not punished His Son Jesus for the sake of the other evil children actions. God send His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to save all his children from sins or from crime.

Some people will defend the evil acts of their children no matter what. That is why God personally send his Son to personally communicate and teach us true humanism to become better person so that our soul will dwell eternally in Heaven not in hell. That is why in Christianity it teaches love your neighbor, thou shall not kill, thou shall not bare false witness etc.

Jesus atonement of our sins is selflessness he was willing to die for us. While others are willing to kill for themselves that is repugnant.

Having to save others is true humanist sacrifice while having to use other as human shield to save on self is selfishness and irresponsible and immoral. Will you ever use your child as a human shield or will you be willing to take a bullet for your child?

I do not agree with you.

The reason why we have laws it is design not for the innocent but for the guilty. Guilty people will never admit their guilt. That is why Jesus Christ step forward to take the bullet for us to protect the innocent not the guilty ones.

 

Truth is what Christianity vaults over myths about Gods.
It says the real world is what Truth reveals.

Hence the liars who promote sexual immorality as fine and harmless must be meet with the Truth.
Truth is a sword but it hurts only the lies.

 

So your argument is against the sacrifice of Rev Martin Luther King?

 

In every area but we can always start with his hatred for Mother Teresa.
Hitchen criticized her from head to toe and yet Hitchen spend most of his life in well to do society away from poverty, terminally ill people, outcast and wars preaching and spreading his biased and unbalanced doctrines that are purely anti good.

 

But you do not want them to ignore that Truth, right?

Truth is that sexual promiscuity, (as the Feminists and Gays promote it), ends up hurting the fatherless kids of the next generation, creating enormous Welfare rolls, sees fatherless children abused, as crime rises inside our cities of single mothers, and taxes rise up.

You don't want even non-religious people to oppose outings of Gays or openly harlot types of women to rise up, do you?

 

A good parent will punished the child that is evil not the good child. God did not punished His Son Jesus for the sake of the other evil children actions.

So being tortured and killed is not punishment to you. Ok.

I guess we are done as I see that your religion has corrupted your morals.

Regards
DL

 

Even God hates so hating is not particularly immoral. You did not state the area or issue that he hated her for and that issue is what I meant by area.

So as I just showed, hating is not in itself immoral.

Do you have a real issue where you see him being immoral. Saying all areas without naming them does not enhance your position so I ask again for you to give a specific issue or area where we can actually have something to discuss.

Regards
DL

 

You're just being contrarian.

 

Do you propose we have police checking the bedrooms of the nation nightly to see who is doing who?

You seem to target gays, who generally speaking do not reproduce, so let's take them out of your child rearing equation.

I have also not heard of any feminist advocating promiscuity. Get some facts and I will see on what you base your views.

You do point to a problem that I partially agree on. That way too many kids are fatherless.

Two short comments on this.

First. If women did not abort, there would be a hell of a lot more of these. Right?

Second, why are you trying to put the blame on gays and women when clearly, children are fatherless, because men do not take their reproductive responsibilities seriously.

Why do you focus on the wrong target when heterosexual men are obviously the problem?

Regards
DL

 

So your argument is also against the sacrifice of Rev Martin Luther King?

 

No.
I want the harlots and the Gays to remain their own secret, and stop promoting sexual promiscuity outside of marriage where the children are protected best.

 

Agree that is why God punished Lucifer.

God send his Son not to punished him but to save his other children from sins, evil and crime.
Won't you send you good son to try to save your other children that have become evil?

The evil or bad children did the torturing and killing because they rejected God's Son and his offering to save them but in spite of that God did not deny them salvation.

Truth is never done too many people have been corrupting the true words and works of Jesus Christ just like how Hitchen is corrupting Mother Teresa's good works.

 

God dose not hate He didn't even hated Lucifer for rebelling against Him he love is true that he gives everyone a chance.
It is truly immoral to hate good.
I did stated it he hated her for everything what she represented and what she does for the poor but most of all because Mother Teresa is doing everything for the poor for God.

Hating is immoral when you hate everything that is good. Hate evil but don't hate good.

Not having an issue with his but his out of direction when it comes to moral , good and evil.
As I said let us start why he hate Mother Teresa? I think he is being envious of her.
[video=youtube;65JxnUW7Wk4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4[/video]


[video=youtube;ZmTiBIcNCQk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmTiBIcNCQk[/video]

 

All of them are the one true god(s) to their faithful. Curious how you can only prove your god not only exists but is also the one true god through scripture overlain with mountains of human invented self referential dogma. But I can understand how righteousness can limit perception.

 

Will you allow sex just for fun within marriage?

 

And of course to protect the children you want to ban divorce, right?

 

With regard to religious beliefs, it is the individual to whom something has to be proven. If it is the existence of God or gods, then the individual will consider many things before coming to a conclusion of the existence of God or gods. All of those things will be a compilation of what amounts to 'personal experience' to that individual person. So for another person to challenge the personal experiences of another person would be like asking a person to prove his/her thoughts. Can you prove your thoughts? You might think and even believe that God or gods don't exist... can you give validity to those thoughts?

 

Focusing on the exception/s does not make it the rule.

Spoken from a position of ignorance as I am not part of any religion. My morals are founded upon my own thinking and I firmly reject the dogma of religion.

How we judge others says more about the one doing the judging than the one being judged. I reject the concept of evil as it is dogmatic. There is good and bad in this world and I am capable of seeing the good and the bad in religion even though I am not part of a religion... this is called objectivity.

As for the video... I do not bow to the alter of Christopher Higgins as he is just a dude with an opinion and not an authority that I recognize. I have the same attitude towards religious leaders as well as I do not recognize them as an authority but just people with opinions as well. I would no more follow Christopher Higgins than I would follow the Pope which is to say not at all. Being led represents the shackles of servitude and I for one no longer wish to be led thus I stand firmly upon my own moral foundation regardless as to what others think.

Higgins says "that the main source of hatred in the world is religion". That is his opinion... here is mine... humanity is the main source of hatred in the world as no single group of people has a monopoly on hate. Blind bias towards religion is a form of hate by my measure of hate just as blind bias towards atheists is a form hate by my measure of hate... again a demonstration of objectivity.

Here is a bit of irony that I find amusing... that being that depending upon the thread I am posting in I will anger theists in one thread and atheists and agnostics in the next as I am a relativist. As a relativist I often do not see things in binary terms such as good or bad, but in many shades of grey. This does not mean that I do not have my own set in stone views, its just that I have the ability to see beyond the end of my own thinking to appreciate and at times learn from the view of another... aka objectivity.

In my unqualified opinion most of humanity is stuck in a box of individual binary thinking and it is this inability to see beyond a binary view that is responsible for most of the hatred in our world. The more binary views one expresses to others the more strife they will experience in their life, the more one is open to that which is different/weird/not understood, the less strife and the more peace one will experience in life.

 

I see you subscribe to Objective Morality.
I pose that is the very thing that spawned Harris/Klebold and many others.
Without an absolute standard for morality;There can be none.
No matter if it is written on men's hearts.
Especially if they are taught they are their own Gods.

 

Relationship between man and woman is fundamentally different from any type of relationship, because government (people) impose regulation and sanctions on such relationship.
Gay relationship is a strictly private matter it has nothing to do with government.
If you do not differentiate public and private, and see no cause for discrimination then I think you believe in nonsense. That much much worse then to believe in God!

 

are you playing dumb?
marriage is a continuation of relationship, i.e. government sanction, protection and regulation of relationship.
government grant marriage (set of benefits) for the relationship between man and woman
it is not distributing benefits just by assigning random people to marriage.

 

It is suggested in the 'Bible' that Jesus taught the scribes and pharisees that they "are gods". However, Jesus also taught the disciples that God (the Father) was dwelling in him. Thus distinguishing a difference between 'gods' and 'God (the Father)' To teach the scribes and pharisees that they are gods is nothing more than showing that they also were created in the image of God. Not that they had the power of God nor the morals or ethics of God or the intelligence of God. I have seen on one of the science promotion programs on television where current scientists (some of them) are embarked on creating robots that are built in the image of man. That is not to say that those robots will have the intelligence of man, or the morals or ethics of man, nor the power of man. So, in that sense, man is a god, because man is emulating the power of God (taking the elements of the Earth and building something in the image of man and imitating the life of man) but still does not possess the power of God.

 

What's your point? You wrote this big long paragraph..
but what is your point?
Man is not a God.Man does have a conscience.
There is no man that can equal the perfectness of God.
Any attempt to do so is futile.
Where do robots get involved? They are man-programmed objects.

 

I am moral relativist meaning that I understand than on objective moral truth in my head becomes nothing but a subjective opinion once I express it to another. There is no "absolute standard for morality" and those who argue that there is have nothing but ancient religious tomes written by man as supposed proof. Why trust the words of long dead men who make claims that cannot be empirically proven nor debunked? I argue that to follow the ancient tomes of man is to follow man and not God thus making the word of man the word God.

I would rather think for myself.