Religious Liberty Is Good for Everyone for Many Reasons

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    A year ago, Biden administration officials standardized a radically new interpretation of the word gender. In a memo from the Department of Health and Human Services, officials mandated all employers must cover the cost of so-called “transgender medicine” in their health insurance plans. In response, the Christian Employers Alliance sued HHS on behalf of a coalition of Christian-owned businesses. A few weeks ago, a federal district court ruled for CEA and halted the Biden mandate.

    Many media outlets, in their coverage of this story, referred to the CEA as a “religious liberty group,” identifying them not by what they do but by their legal argument. To be sure, forcing an employer to pay for harmful hormones and violent surgeries on healthy bodies, against their deeply held beliefs, is to violate their religious freedom. All citizens of the United States have an unambiguous right, thanks to the First Amendment, to not just worship inside a church or synagogue or mosque but to order their lives outside of those buildings according to their deeply held beliefs. Whether the belief comes from religion, conscience, or some mix of the two, the ideas that men and women are real and distinct things and that their bodies shouldn’t be experimented upon is widely held across cultures, religions, scientific disciplines, and human history.

    Legally speaking, then, it was perfectly sound for the Christian Employers Alliance to argue that forcing employers to subsidize those experiments violates their religious freedom. And, by doing so, the CEA wasn’t arguing to protect their own rights, only. They are fighting for the common good…
    …Christianity has been a unique force for good in the world, for both its adherents and non-believers….









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    eligious liberty truly is a benefit to all in any society. People should be free to believe, live, and freely express their belief or non belief without fear. The attempt to force believers to act in violation of their religious beliefs is the latest tool of the secular progressive left in their culture war.
     
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    A society has the most comity, dialogue, and freedom where there is religious liberty.
     
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    You are, of course, referring to situations where businesses refuse to serve others because those other's conduct violates 'religious belief', such as a photographer refusing to shoot a gay wedding because what they do in the bedroom is an 'abomination to God', as it is claimed in the Bible.

    Yeah, you're probably going to get a 6/3 conservative court to go along with that BS (you sure as hell wouldn't on a liberal court), but I'll vent my opinion anyway which I think is more just and honorable than what conservatives believe:

    What those two consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of that vendor's damn business.

    Moreover, Jesus walked with low lifes, so get with the program and take a better understanding of your religion.

    Moreover, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that someone who accepts Christ as his or her savior cannot provide a service to homosexuals, which is a doctrine compatible with 'love the sinner but not the sin', which goes to the above, 'get a better understanding of your religion'. Do I have a say in 'your religion?'. I absolutely do when your behavior equals a cause of action in violation of US Tort law or equals a crime in violation of the US Criminal Code.

    Moreover, those who claim 'against religious beliefs' are applying those beliefs selectively, given they are not supporting smiting children who strike their parents, or providing compensation to someone who causes his wife to have a miscarriage, or demanding an 'eye for an eye', a 'tooth for a tooth', etc and thus they are using the Bible as a ruse to hide behind their blatant bigotry, not to mention the many instances in the bible that treat the unborn as property whereupon liberal's pro choice stance is NOT in violation of your 'religious liberty'.

    Moreover, if 'religious beliefs' result in the violation of US Tort law or the US Criminal Code, the law supercedes; you can't use religion to commit a cause of action or a crime, per the First Amendment.

    I think Freedom From Religion is equal to Freedom of Religion.
     
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    There is a freedom of religion to choose to follow none and to believe in none, and observe no religious days/events/traditions. There is no such thing as freedom from religion. In God we Trust. One nation, under God, indivisible
     
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    Freedom from religion for me means religious people shouldn't be allowed to pass laws the rest of us have to follow. Keep religion in your house and your church and nobody will care much about it.
     
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    Well stated.

    :applause:
     
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    Horse pucky. The "under god" was not added to the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...dded-to-the-pledge-of-allegiance-on-flag-day/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_MacPherson_Docherty

    "In God We Trust" wasn't added to our currency until 1957.

    https://history.house.gov/Historica...te approved the measure,by an act of Congress.

    It was imprinted on coins since the Civil War.

    In either case, those words you seem to feel are a sacred ideology handed down by our founders are nothing of the sort.

    It's up to you, of course, but I recommend that you actually look things like this up before you post them.
     
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    Yeah, this is the part that always trips you guys up, and it certainly seems to apply to Christian evangelicals who live to stick their fingers in your face, all the while demonstrating the opposite of what they claim to believe. What you want to do is legitimize Christian hypocrisy.
     
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    I say religion is something that should only be practiced in the home and in the church. It doesn't belong in schools or the legal code. Freedom from religion is just as much a right as freedom of religion. Look at the horrific theocracies in third world countries like Afghanistan and Iran for example.
     
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    "Religious Liberty Is Good for Everyone"


    very true, Republicans just need to remember there is more than one religion, and employers should not be able to force their religion on their employees



    ""Vouchers can be used for Muslim Schools? OOPS!""

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/7/6/1106793/--Vouchers-can-be-used-for-Muslim-Schools-OOPS

     
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    the Money God, we do trust in him don't we.... we praise him on our money and pledge
     
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    I never made a claim as to the timing of either the pledge or our newer national motto. Why make it up that I did?
     
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    It’s our national motto, not something limited to our currency.
     
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    Religious liberty is for everyone of any and all religions or none at all. I have no problem with private schools of any religion or none getting funding from said vouchers.
     
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    This one is perfect here…

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    cause the Money God is great, we all trust him
     
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    More importantly, TOTAL separation of Church and State per the Constitution.
     
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    I go along this thinking

    http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/history_of_the_separation_of_chu.htm

    "When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
    - Benjamin Franklin: in letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780"
     
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    Nailed it but it's not Christianity, it's the perversion of said religion taught by the snake oil far right evangelical leaders justifying their fleecing of the flock by convincing them that their living large off the said flock is God's will and Christian.
     
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    So if you want freedom from religion, give up all your money
     
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    have at it... or worship the Money God like the rest of us
     
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    There is no total separation of church and state and never will be. Just enough to prevent the government from establishing at state church or playing favorites among religions, churches and to prevent a church from harnessing the power of the state to advance its beliefs or coerce in one of its doctrines. That’s all. That’s enough.
     
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    There can be no freedom of religion without freedom from religion.
    Freedom of religion means freedom to believe and it absolutely does not mean the content of religious writings/beliefs are immune from criticism, mockery, and ridicule.
     
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    More bitterness directed at those who follow most closely to literal Biblical teachings.

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    You have comprehension issues if that's your take from what I posted. Or maybe worse, if that's intentionally mischaracterizing my post. That would make your post disingenuous at the very least.
     
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