Religious Oddities #1

Yet you give none.

 

Vagabonds don't build cities.

 

You're being funny, right?

 

Does the Bible say that Cain was a vagabond?

The Cain and Abel story is about the Hunter-gatherers versus the Agriculturists..

 

The Bible says that God cursed Cain, Genesis 4:10-12 (NKJV) =
"10 And He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground. 11 So now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you. A fugitive and a vagabond you shall be on the earth.”

The fact that Cain waltzed over to Nod and started a family and built the city of Enoch shows that God lied again. God's curse was just empty words. And since Cain had built the city he didn't have to farm himself because he got taxes from the townspeople to support him.

 

Judah and Israel had different stories that were cobbled together by scribes during the reign of King Omri.

 

Not becuase you say so...

The point of the thread was to discover whether humanity came about from conditions other than incest. I didn't, apparently...

How so?

It's just a story...possibly...loosely based on history, like Dan Brown. That's as far as you can go.

 

The commandment against incest from God to the Israelites was first mentioned about 1,445 B.C. or approximately 903 years after the Noahic Flood, in Leviticus. Prior to that incest was not a sin. Since it is only possible to sin against God, and since God did not call incest a sin until after the Earth was "filled" Cain did not commit sin by incestuous relations..


Lev. 18: 6None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.7The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness. 11The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she isthy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness;for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness. [B]18[/B]Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.

 

So murder and theft were fine before God gave the commandment against them. Worshipping other Gods would have been okay because there was no commandment there?

I think this is a clear example of humans projecting their own concepts of things like laws to the supernatural. If God is God, incest would have been wrong to him the moment he created them. Why the change after so long? He didn't see it coming? Incests harm would have been far greater at the beginning than thousands of years down the line.

 

Eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good And Evil was a commandment too. We know how that turned out.

 

Noah's flood is a myth from Sumer... having to do with a flood in the Euphrates River basin.

 

Explain marine fossils on the summits of some of the highest mountain ranges in the world. From every continent, in every recording of history from worldwide civilizations are stories of a great flood, not local flooding. Local flooding is too common an occurrence to rate the stories and legends in all of these accounts.

Besides, you nor any high-faluten scientist can prove there never was a Global Flood. You can only offer your uneducated opinion.

 

first of all, 'it is only possible to sin against god', to the outsider, reads like 'it is only possible to annoy Zeus on Tuesdays' does to you. in other words, silly.

secondly, how does this Omni-everything god of yours have no rules one minute, then rules the next? did he change his mind? did he have it wrong the first time? and before you answer, consider the implications of omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience.

 

Take a course in geology.. with an emphasis on plate tectonics.. Your question is junior high school stuff.

There are MANY ancient cities that were NEVER flooded.. in Egypt, Anatolia, Mesopotamia and so on.. Jericho was never flooded.. Its MYTH.

 

are you aware mountains are formed by the squeezing together (and pushing upwards) of tectonic plates? ie, land which was once possibly at sea level, or below sea level?

every civilisation has probably experienced a 'great' flood at least once. it would seem, to the primitive observer, as though the whole world had drowned - and there would be no way of knowing that it hadn't. and, being primitives, they'd have wondered why these devastating floods happened, when minor seasonal flooding did nothing more than take a few villagers and add a little silt to the fields. hence the fables arising in different cultures and different ages.

high falutin' scientists don't concern themselves with investigating myths and legends. would you like to see your tax dollars fund the investigation of Odin and Valhalla? didn't think so. besides, they're too busy doing the work your god has comprehensively failed to do. you know, like save lives through medical advancements, help prevent destruction of the planet by finding better ways to use resources, develop computers on which you can talk about god, explore the galaxy to see if there isn't others like us out there, or even not like us ... etc etc.

 

Nagas (river serpents) still inhabit the rivers of Buddhist SE Asia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nāga

 

Why is there no evidence of kangaroos and koalas between Europe and Australia? Did they fly to Australia after the ark struck land?

 

You do know that there was a land bridge connecting all the major land masses at one time, right?

 

Of course the Earth's plates shifted forming high mountains and deep ocean abysses.

Localized floods do not account for all scientific evidence found by geologists and paleontologists around the Earth. What is disputed is not the evidences but the individual's interpretation of that evidence. There are thousands of bits of information gathered at the Grand Canyon that falsify the millions of years of deposits and erosion forming the gorge. Basalt flows spanning the canyon carbon dated to earlier than the earliest reading within the canyon. Polystriate petrified trees through what the evolutionist "scientists" claim is 100's of thousands of years of deposits.

The Colorado River flows through the Grand Canyon and is claimed to have cut the canyon. It would have initially had to flow North or uphill to the South to erode the wall of the gorge. Research information on the scientific research in and around the 1980 Mt. St. Helens volcanic activity. Gorges cut through hundreds of layers of deposits almost identical to what is found at the Grand Canyon.

That's enough for you to deny before even considering the facts I laid out for you. I don't expect zealots to look beyond their evolution bible for scientific facts..

 

It wasn't exactly a land bridge... and it was between 35 and 50 million years ago... like when the Red Sea was formed.

 

That timeline is an opinion, a speculation. Since there is no conclusive scientific evidence for m.y./b.y.

 

Hardly.. oil exploration geologists are NOT theoretical sorts. The Red Sea moved 26 feet wider at the south end about 4 years ago.

Most places in the ancient world have NO flood sediment footprint.

 

There is a sediment deposit that cover 2/3 of North America and possibly into Europe what geologists call The Saulk Sequence. Look it up.

 

TITLE: epeirogeny

...can be recognized. Strata deposited in the intervals between such cycles in North America have been called sequences and have been given formal names.

The most widely recognized of these are the Sauk Sequence (Late Precambrian to mid-Ordovician; about 650 to 460 million years ago), the Tippecanoe Sequence (mid-Ordovician to Early Devonian; about 460 to 400 million years ago), the Kaskaskia...

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/525438/Sauk-Sequence

 

Correct, except the dates are speculation based on the author's worldview.