It's easy to understand how former slaves feel. I bought a Ford Pinto manual transmission in 1970 and the clutch cable broke after only 12K miles. You think I got reparations from Ford Motor Company? Hell no!
There were no actual Americans when America was actually being built, just colonists, Loyalists, slaves and a ton of natives.
That's just deflection. Most of the ancestors of African-Americans came to America as slaves and even though it didn't start out as a racial thing it certainly became racial as White Supremacists focused more on having Black slaves than White slaves and justifying their enslavement with the idea that Blacks were inferior. Look, the whole practice of slavery is wrong. Everyone involved should be ashamed as much as any criminal should be ashamed for their actions. The point is this fuss over reparations which Sab started with this thread and which racists like to bring up as some type of argument to rub in Black people's faces e.g. "we don't owe you anything." You bringing up Irish slavery is missing the point. I'm not saying that part of history should be ignored but you should not use it to overshadow what happened to the ancestors of African-Americans who were the main victims of slavery in America. White Supremacists bring up slavery as an attempt to put Blacks in their place and it is still a major source of racial tension. I'm not asking for reparations but I also recognize the motive for threads like this. This is a racist attack on Black people. The vast majority did not. And what are the odds that I am descended 100% from Black immigrants to America who were never slaves or any African-American for that matter. If you are not descended from recent African immigrants and you are an African-Americans then most of your ancestors came to America through the Middle Passage and endured chattel slavery in America. So bringing up the few Africans who might have come here willingly is irrelevant. That's good. And keep in mind that this forum is called race-relations. I come here to combat racism and I know racism when I see it. There's no evidence that the Hebrew built the Pyramids. Actually Archeologists and Egyptologists have not found any evidence of Hebrew enslavement. But even if we take the story of Exodus in the Bible at face value it says nothing about the Hebrew building Pyramids. They are said to have built cities. The archeological and historical evidence indicates that slaves made up about 10% of the labor force and the construction of the Pyramids were state projects whose main workers consisted of Egyptian citizens. Of course Africans have committed slavery and genocide in history which I know was your main point but the idea that "Jews built the Pyramids" is a myth.
Several fallacies here. Blacks became the preferred slave because the Irish population was decimated within 10 years. The population dropped by half and the price for those slaves would have gone much higher. Another reason blacks were preferred, just like today, they were very physically fit and we used to the sun and weather which made them more adaptable to the southern farms. Free blacks in the south owned their own slaves, and treated as part of the community. It became racial after the civil war when they south was trying to exact revenge and they couldn't do it to the northerners so they turned their eyes towards the most vulnerable and most identifiable. How can you say they were the "main victims" of slavery? Was half their population wiped out with in 10 years? White supremacist don't usually bring up reparations, they respond to black supremacists claiming they are owed something for slavery. Are you playing the "one drop" rule here? I can play the same thing, so can many other whites or ethnicities. How do you know you didn't come from slave owning blacks? Would you owe yourself reparations? Isnt that the same labor force of slaves in America? Not just the south, but all of America? You said they America wasn't built by "Americans" cause America didn't exist. So what ever has been built since 1776 wasn't built by Americans, or nothing has been built since then?
White racism towards Blacks existed throughout nearly the entire period of American slavery not just after the Civil War. Read some of the writings of American intellectuals about Blacks and slavery prior to the Civil War. How many slaves do you think were Black vs. how many were Irish or of European descent? Blacks from Africa were the main victims of American slavery. In my experience on the internet White Supremacists talk about slavery and bring up reparations a lot more than any one else. In the media there may be some activists who talk about reparations but in racial discussions on the internet where most of this intellectual racial conversation is going on racist White people bring up reparations. The thread starter is a White racist who brought up reparations. The "one drop" rule refers to ancestry and the fact that there has been a lot of mixing between racial groups in America with a Black person defined as a person with "one drop" of Sub-Saharan African ancestry. What does that have to do with anything that I said?! Based on my knowledge of ancestry, history and genealogy the odds of being descended solely from Black slave owners is slim to none. Some of my ancestors could have been Black slave owners. Some of them were probably White slave owners. Most of them before the Civil War in America were in all likelihood slaves just like most other Black Americans. The number of Blacks who were enslaved far outnumbered the Blacks who were owners which was very rare. I have some knowledge of my ancestors before the Civil War thanks to relatives who have done genealogy investigations. In my family we have documentation of slave ancestry on both sides, some of my ancestors were freedmen, some of them might have been overseers, my paternal Great-Grandfather was born 10 years after the Civil War and was listed in the U.S. Census as a mulatto. So his mother was probably a slave and his father a slave master meaning there is a reference within my genealogy to having White ancestry. There are also reports of Native American ancestry although DNA tests indicate that this is more rare than oral traditions of African-Americans having Native American ancestry suggest. Bottom line, if you are an African-American who is not descended from recent African Immigrants then you are most likely of Middle Passage descent and share the legacy of having many ancestors who were slaves in America which has had a negative physical, economic and psychological effect on African-Americans. Even if it is we know that Black slaves helped build the White House. We don't know how many Hebrew slaves helped build Pyramids if any at all. Blacks didn't build America but they certainly contributed and slavery increased the wealth of America.
i would support a massive program to help blacks, as a form of reperations: -free public college tuition. -free job training -opening up new businesses and factories in black areas -massive investnment in black K-12 education. however, in exchange, all black women on any entitlement programs must use contraceptives as long as they are on SNAP, TANF, WIC, or Section 8. this can simply be an IUD, which lasts a long time, or other internal devices.
By all means, enlighten us. I wont say it didn't exist cause it had to start somewhere, but to be as pronounced as it was after the war, I'd like some proof. And please, refrain from calling people racist for using the socially acceptable word of "negro" for the time period. Its like calling people white or black today. In overall population, sure. In the sense of what happened to the people from the homeland, not quite. And don't forget about the rapes of Irish women which bore both irish and African decent slaves. There is no accurate count for them. Anecdotal. I didn't say you came solely from black masters, I said there is a chance. In what context? Was there a lot of black slaves? Sure. Were freed black slave owners on a higher percentage than free whites? Yes. How so? As it increased the rest of the world. Not only did America have slaves, so did every other race in the world has been slaves or been the slaver. Some places still do, and honestly, they aren't reaping all the much reward from slavery as it stands now. IF slavery was the bee knees of an economy, the south would have won the war hands down. - - - Updated - - - ^^^ This is a true Democrat for you right here. Racism through "generosity" just as Margret Sanger and Hillary Clinton has always wanted.
Frankly, I think there is a moral case to be made for reparations, since it was the intent of the government to provide them either through property or emigration, after the Civil War. That was sabotaged after Lincoln's assassination, but there was a Freedman's Bureau for a little while to do exactly that. In order to make it fair though, you would have to prove that you are actually descended from American slaves. That would be a tough burden, so it's not likely to ever happen.
were ALL Americans, so were ALL just as responsible for Americas history, be your ancestors a slave, a hero that helped to save slaves, ect... most white people worked to free the slaves, it was the rich that enslaved them no reparations are needed, none will happen, reparations would be racist, if one doesn't like being American, we can supply them free airfare to the country of their choice .
true It was Debateable. IQ seems to suggest so Yes we know this Pretty bad No . why dont you stop being racist. the open racism comes mainly from black people these days. you insult whites with impunity. Try stopping the crime as well (and then lying about it0 Lots of people are talking about reparations. You probably got a big chunk of affirmative action (aka anti white racism) its hardly a one way street, - - - Updated - - - No you must prove you were a slave...oh dear none are alive now.
and prove one is not part slave owner as many blacks were impregnated by slave owners back then fact is were the big melting pot, most of us probably have black ancestors in us
Reparations are usually for living victims such as wartime comfort women in Korea who received $100,000 each in a recent financial settlement between Japan and South Korea. The last person who was a slave in America must have died more than one hundred years ago and her descendants do not qualify for reparations. In 1988, the German government allocated another $125 million for reparations, enabling remaining Holocaust survivors to receive monthly payments of $290. On Aug. 31, the Japanese government made a payment of 1 billion yen (US$9.68 million) to the Reconciliation and Healing Foundation, which was established by the South Korean government in accordance with the Dec. 28 agreement.
Nope. Blacks were sold into slavery by their Black brothers. Mostly Arab slave traders bought 'em and transported them to the coast where they were bought by Dutch merchants who were financed by Jews.Got it?
Also, it helps if the people asking for reparations have power. Examples: the people you just mentioned in your post. They all had power, something African-Americans have very little of.
The enslaved Africans of early America helped to establish the wealth of this nation. The USA is a young country. There is no way America would be as advanced and powerful as it is without the free labor provided by said Africans. In all fairness the decendants of those enslaved Africans should receive reparations. The slaves themselves sure never got anything for their work. But this is one of those painful issues that has no easy answer. All I can do is leave a written history for my children and grandchildren so that if the time for reparations ever comes they will have proof that they had ancestors who were slaves in Mississippi.
To be a minority there has to be a majority, who will be the majority? To lump everyone together but white seems pretty silly to me. What will happen is there simply will not be a majority.
Good point. You will notice in my post I did not say Blacks or anyone else would be a majority. I just said "When Whites become a minority....".
