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Republican's Latest Monumental Faux Pas

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by opion8d, Jun 10, 2019.

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  1. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    The entirety of the Constitution and original basis for all US law was derived from laws and legal concepts that existed PRIOR to the formation of this country. Holy crap - are right-wing nuts so poorly informed that they don't realize this?
     
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  2. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    Hardly.

    I think they will agree that taking away one's right to one's own body is slavery...there is no insult...

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..




    GoodGawd! Those things were done, and could be done , to those people because THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES...


    ...and who knows, maybe once , if Republicans take away women's right to their own bodies that's what they're planning to do with women....and why wouldn't they, it would then be legal.

    They now look at women as broodstock now!!
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ... you've bumped your head if you think anything pre-Constitution should ever be considered by our courts. That's not how it is supposed to work, and when Ruth Bader Ginsburgh tried to cite international law once, she was lambasted by scholars on both sides. While the Magna Carta was a fine document, it has no bearing in U.S. legal decisions, nor does anything else ore-Constitution.
     
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    I get that laws in other nations should not be used as precedent here. What about the Declaration of Independence - should this have bearing in law ? How about the Rule of Law - things that we have adopted and claim as part of our legal system but is not in the Constitution ?
     
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    Ironic PROJECTION does not alter factual reality.
     
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    The Constitution is based upon the English Magna Carta law from 1215 and various other English laws of the 18th Century.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/why-magna-carta-key-document-usa-104638

    Why is it that BLOTUS supporters don't even know the origins of the Constitution?
     
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  7. Mandelus

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    The Law of the United States originally came mainly from the common law of England, which had legal force at the time of the American Revolutionary War. Since its entry into force, the United States Constitution, together with the federal and international treaties in which the United States holds its share, is now considered the highest source of law. These are the basis, but also the restrictions for all federal and national law in the 50 states.
    Where do you think, for example, where the legal system with the jury / grand jury comes from, eh?

    This is American legal history, completely undisputed by righties and lefties ... and so every US university teach it too! And I as German who made his master in history about US history must explain this to you?
     
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    The 9th Amendment upholds the individual rights that existed prior to the enactment of the Constitution.
     
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  9. Josephwalker

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    No they look at babies as humans not cancerous tumors.
     
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  10. Mandelus

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    And how do they look at the pregnat women?
     
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  11. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    Hardly.

    I think they will agree that taking away one's right to one's own body is slavery...there is no insult...

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..



    GoodGawd! Those things were done, and could be done , to those people because THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES...


    ...and who knows, maybe once , if Republicans take away women's right to their own bodies that's what they're planning to do with women....and why wouldn't they, it would then be legal.

    They look at women as broodstock now!!


    Quite obvious you could NOT address nor refute one word of my post :)
     
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  12. Josephwalker

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    If she let's the fetus get to the point where they consider it a baby they look at her as having a responsibility to carry it to birth.
     
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    So does the pregnant woman have to submit to her body's evaluation of others?
     
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  14. Josephwalker

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    When she goes in for an abortion yes. At some point abortion is murder and the only legitimate argument is when that point is not if it is.
     
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    By which law again? Look on the 1973 Supreme Court decision please!
     
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  16. Josephwalker

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    Which in no way says a woman can abort right up to the day before birth
     
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    Because they seem to want their President to destroy it
     
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    It isn't a baby until birth.
     
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    Yes I know your extremist views on this. The extremist on the other side say it's a baby at conception. Most of us think it's a baby somewhere in between and that's where honest debate is. Extremists on both ends are not to be taken seriously and can argue amongst themselves. I have no time for them and in this case you. Have a nice day.:)
     
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  20. FoxHastings

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    :) Ya, using correct scientific terms IS "extremist " to some.

    A     fetus eventually becomes a teenager so let's call fetuses teenagers !!!! Gee, that would make us look intelligent !!!










    """""""""""I think they will agree that taking away one's right to one's own body is slavery...there is no insult...

    The ONLY people who want to go back to slavery are ANTI-CHOICERS who want to take away women's right to their own body, which is SLAVERY..



    GoodGawd! Those things were done, and could be done , to those people because THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES...""""
     
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    Wrong!

    If her life and/or health are in danger during the 3rd trimester she has an ABSOLUTE right to an abortion per the RvW ruling.

    Obviously you never bothered to read it for yourself.
     
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    I am amazed that these Leftists are so out of touch that they think any judge should be considering anything prior to the U.S. Constitution, which they swore to uphold.

    There is no other laws, documents, foundations that are needed. The U.S. Constitution covers it and is all that should be considered, unless a person wants to be un-Constitutional in their decision making.
     
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    The SCOTUS building itself debunks the concept that all prior lawmaking must be ignored.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Supreme_Court_Building

    IOW's the Judicial Branch is not closed to the UNDERSTANDING that our own Law of the Land has been DERIVED from MILLENNIA of prior laws.
     
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  24. opion8d

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    Really? Well that would eliminate the Bible, the Magna Carta, War Crimes as defined by the Hauge, The Talmud, and on, and on, and on. You really believe the state of human laws and existence didn't exist until a bunch of guys in the mid 1700's just pulled it out of their backsides? Really? Where does it describe murder in the Constitution? Rape? Theft? Embezzlement? Need I go on?
     
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    Which has nothing to do with my response to a post saying it allows abortion at any time during pregnancy. It only allows it in an extreme and highly unlikely scenario. It's like claiming murder is allowed under law because self defense is allowed under law. Late term abortion is essentially a self defense caveat.
     
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