REVEALED: Israel’s IDF Used Passenger Airliners as Cover During Christmas Day Attack <MOD WARNING>

You're still grabbing at straws.
Are you now, suggesting that the Israelis didn't have radio communication with each other and with ground control?

Face facts.
The Israelis knew it was an American ship and precisely which American ship because the Israelis jammed it's unique emergency frequencies known only to the Israelis & Americans.
How do you explain that?

 

I can't explain it. And neither can you as you've never provided actual evidence this ever happened.

Oh but I guess you talked to someone in the military who talked to someone else in the military who heard it from someone else in the military who said they had seen transcripts...…….

 

I kind of like the OP's characterization of Israel's attack as unprovoked by Syria. At worst it was a humanitarian act.

 

The attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was far from the deadliest friendly fire incident to happen for U.S. servicemen.


https://listverse.com/2012/11/03/8-worst-cases-of-friendly-fire/

 

You can't explain it because it is additional fact that debunks Liberty Deniers' absurd claim that the clearly marked USS Liberty was "accidentally" attacked after 5 - 9 hours of Israeli recon on a perfectly clear day.

Even the most casual student of Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty knows that the Israeli's jammed the 5 emergency frequencies that only the Israelis & Americans knew but you, who claim to have researched the massacre for "decades" "...can't explain it."

This, in addition to strafing life rafts, one of which is proudly on display in an Israeli Naval Museum(1), jamming emergency communications is a War Crime.

Yes, I do believe my fellow American Veterans who recall that the Israeli attack on the Liberty was deliberate while you are free to continue to shill for murderous Israeli war criminals.

I also believe & support the ethical Israeli pilot who refused to participate in Israel's treacherous, cold blooded massacre(2) & was arrested for his courage.

It's long past time to prosecute the mass murderers in IDF and expose the traitorous Americans who were & remain complicit in US History's most extensive cover-up.




(1) "The Forgotten Sneak Attack"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/09/the-forgotten-sneak-attack/

EXCERPT "The life raft taken by the Israeli torpedo boat and the wheel of the torpedo boat that succeeded in hitting Liberty are on display at Israel’s National Maritime Museum in Haifa. In Israel, those who participated in the attack are celebrated as national heroes."CONTINUED



(2) "Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT " According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED

 

Once again, please provide actual evidence that either of these claims by you are "true"?

And no, not some article you drug up from Great Britain or Chicago.

 

It wasn't friendly fire--it was hostile fire. It wasn't an accident, it was deliberate.

 

That's because it was not even listed as a "friendly fire incident" on your own source.

It was deliberate.

 

Over the last 2 weeks, I've provided more than enough evidence to convince any reasonable person that the Liberty attack was deliberate.
Sources relating to this deliberate Israeli betrayal don't get any more reliable than that of the US Naval Institute:

"The Spy Ship Left Out in the Cold"
https://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2017-06/spy-ship-left-out-cold

 

Good article. I read it in detail. What you leave out is that the author has a personal stake in the story. His father served on the Liberty.

 

Thank you. Not only is it a good article, it was published by America's own USNI & its factuality is supported by 28 sources.

Yes, everyone has a stake in a story but in the case of the USS Liberty attack, the attack was either deliberate or accidental.
Common sense & numerous clear & irrefutable facts indicate that it was deliberate.

Throughout this exchange, you have been unable to explain how the attack could have how the attack could have been accidental other than "someone knocked a marker off of a map" or something to that effect.

That's not a very strong argument for the "accident" theory in face of the numerous facts I have already submitted over the last week & finally noted:

"The Israelis knew it was an American ship and precisely which American ship because the Israelis jammed it's unique emergency frequencies known only to the Israelis & Americans.
How do you explain that?" to which you responded:

"I can't explain it. "

Essentially, you are finally admitting how the Israeli attack could not have been accidental since the Israeli government was the only other entity to know the frequencies used by the Liberty & it's very unlikely that the Americans jammed their own radios or aliens.

I'm sure you recalled in the article that the Naval Institute cadets were instructed to be silent about the USS Liberty betrayal as late as 2012 when visited by the Israeli ambassador.
This criminal cover-up has gone on too long.

This treacherous War Crime & betrayal has been kept from the American people for too long just as the Liberty crew survivors remain the most slandered, manipulated & abused US Veterans in America's history.

It's long past time for a full and complete Congressional Investigation that will both exonerate, expose the influential lobbies who have driven the cover up & prosecute those responsible for they egregious war crime.

There's no statute of limitation on the prosecution of mass murderers & that's precisely what this Israeli betrayal is....mass murder.

 

I can't explain it because you have NOT PROVEN it actually happened. Nor have you PROVEN the allegation that the Israelis machined gun the life rafts or that one of the Liberty life rafts is in a museum in Israel. Or that the pilots and sailors involved in the attack on the Liberty were treated as heroes in Israel.

In a debate, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. In this case that would be you. I don't have to prove that Israel "did not" deliberately attack the U.S.S. Liberty. The burden is on you to prove they did.

And what you call "evidence" is largely speculation on your part. Asking "how could they possibly not identify the Liberty on a clear day with a large U.S. flag flying is itself NOT EVIDENCE."

 

And that is where you are wrong. I have no stake in the story of the U.S.S. Liberty. No connection of any kind to any of the people or parties involved.

 

I also cannot prove that the Titanic struck an iceberg & sank. You could claim that you saw it just last week & it was just fine.

However, I have provided more than enough evidence for any reasonable person to conclude that Israel's attack on the USS Liberty was deliberate.

 

You've made claims regarding the attack on the Liberty that I have NEVER seen anywhere else. The jammed frequencies, attempt to shoot down the U.S. recon plane, life raft in the museum.

You expect me just to accept that on your say so and some links you decided to throw together?

 

It is only because of the extensive nature of the cover-up that you have never heard the disgusting truth about the USS Liberty and the infuriating details related to it.
You've already ridiculed and even questioned my military experience so why should I bother in relating how I know some of these things of which you've never heard.
Check out the author, James Bamford, on Wikipedia before you read the following:

James Bamford
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bamford


"The cover-up"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel

 

Bamford has a history of pushing an anti intelligence services agenda.

 

The denial and hypocrisy on your part is way over the top. You accept all kinds of things without having a tenth of the evidence provided you in this case and yet - because you are so desperate to cling to some necessary illusion that Israeli's would not do a false flag - you demand an impossible evidence bar.

What Dayton .. would you like me to transport you back in time and place so you can watch the event happen for yourself ? As that is pretty much what it would take.

 

As I said by way of example, gun camera footage from one of the attacking Israeli planes that clearly shows the U.S. flag flying I would accept as undeniable evidence that the flag was clearly visible to the pilots.

 

Do you have camera footage from the first planes that identified the Liberty hours earlier? If not, why not?

 

I haven't thought of that because I consider the earlier identification to be irrelevant to the later attack.

 

Or do you mean that the camera footage from the earlier planes would show how clear the Liberty was hence why that footage from the recon flights were never released. Strange that!

 

Richards Parker, Political consul of the US embassy in Cairo, Egypt says differently at the 25:45 mark. Is he lying too?

 

What's that got to do with the USS Liberty massacre?

The fact remains that you have absolutely no knowledge of or experience in classified military ops and are in no position to criticize Bamford's research or what you claim is his agenda.

I'm convinced that over the last 2 weeks I have provided more than enough credible information that the USS Liberty attack by Israel was a treacherous & murderous war crime & betrayal of America's Veterans & G.I.s to any reasonable person.
You may be very reasonable in some respects but I'm not the only person to note that you are too blindly loyal to Israel to be reasonable when it comes to its atrocities & betrayals.

At this point, I'm finished spoon feeding you facts for you to reject for such spurious reasons as Bamford has an "...anti intelligence services agenda" and willing to let other readers decide who has made & supported the most compelling argument.

 

Thank you.

The fact that anyone could be gullible enough to believe that such a sophisticated & advanced military power could "accidentally" attack a clearly marked & flagged ship after 5 - 9 hours of recon on a perfectly clear day, alone does not pass the "smell test".

The fact that that same sophisticated & advanced military power could "accidentally" continue to attack that same clearly marked & flagged ship at close range for over an hour, too, does not pass the "smell test"

One does not "accidentally" fire over 800+ rounds at an unknown in "friendly fire incidents"

The fact that 3 torpedo boats from that same sophisticated & advanced military power could "accidentally" strafe the same clearly marked ship with AP ordinance and the life rafts, too, does not pass the "smell test"

There are hundreds of details that show that the USS Liberty attack was deliberate & premeditated & it is only the overwhelming influence of Israeli lobbies, disloyal "Israel Firsters" in US Government & a complicit MSM that anyone believes the ridiculous lie that this murderous war crime was an accident.

While the Liberty betrayal is history much information about it remains classified decades later, why?

The dark power behind this enormous, high reaching cover up only shows the degree to which Israeli lobbies & its agents in US Government drive and/or subvert US Policy remains severely destructive to all Americans today.

That a US President would so coldly sacrifice 294 American lives(1) out of fear of ominous Israeli agents in US Government is as terrifying, demoralizing & repulsive today as years ago.


"The cover-up"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel

EXCERPT "Geis was shocked by what he heard next. "President Lyndon Johnson came on with a comment that he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies." Geis told Lieutenant Commander David Lewis, head of the NSA group on the Liberty, about the comment but asked him to keep it secret until after Geis died. It was a promise that Lewis kept."CONTINUED