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Talon · Mar 6, 2014

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You are simply wrong, Talon. South Ossetia didn't start the war. The initial attack was undertaken by the Georgian's. It was this fact that the media ignored...
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Au contraire, mon ami.

The Truth About Russia in Georgia
August 26, 2008
by Michael Totten

TBILISI, GEORGIA – Virtually everyone believes Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili foolishly provoked a Russian invasion on August 7, 2008, when he sent troops into the breakaway district of South Ossetia. “The warfare began Aug. 7 when Georgia launched a barrage targeting South Ossetia,” the Associated Press reported over the weekend in typical fashion.

Virtually everyone is wrong. Georgia didn't start it on August 7, nor on any other date. The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia. This happened before Saakashvili sent additional troops to South Ossetia and allegedly started the war...

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php
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RAPING GEORGIA
By Ralph Peters
August 9, 2008

...The background:
When a fellow officer and I drove through the region in 1991, Georgian patriots and Russian “peacekeepers” were already facing off. As the USSR collapsed, its security services leapt to foment separatist (pro-Moscow) movements in the newly independent states. In Georgia’s case, that meant instigating rebellions in South Ossetia, Abkhazia and – unsuccessfully – Adjaria (the Caucasus is a crazy quilt of obscure identities). If Georgians insisted on independence, the Kremlin intended to dissect the country.
But then Russia found itself bogged down in a series of botched wars in Chechnya as its military rotted and the Yeltsin government floundered.
Now, however, the petrodollar-powered Russia of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and his straight man, President Dmitri Medvedev, is swaggering – and determined to punish Georgia, to make it an example to other defiant neighbors.

What just happened?

The Kremlin decided it was time to act, since Georgia was only growing stronger under its democratically elected government. Although NATO has been hemming and hawing about admitting Georgia, the Russians didn’t want to take any chances. (Just last month, 1,000 US troops were in Georgia for an exercise.)
Calculating that the media and world leaders would be partying in Beijing, the Russians ordered North Ossetian militiamen, backed by Russian “peacekeepers” and mercenaries, to provoke the Georgians earlier this month.
Weary of the Russian presence on their soil, the Georgians took the bait. President Mikheil Saakashvili ordered his US-trained military to respond.
That was the excuse the Kremlin wanted. Immediately, a tank brigade from Russia’s 58th Army (the butchers of Chechnya) crossed the international border into Poland – sorry, I meant Georgia.

How do I know that the Russians set a trap? Simple: Given the wretched state of Russian military readiness, that brigade could never have shot out of its motor pool on short notice. The Russians obviously “task-organized” the force in advance to make sure it would have working tanks with competent crews.

Otherwise, broken-down vehicles would’ve lined those mountain roads.

The Russians planned it. And they hope to push it to the limit...

http://nypost.com/2008/08/09/raping-georgia/
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Military logistic don't lie, and we saw how bad Russian logistics were during the invasion.

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Georgia initiated the conflict following a bomb attack on July 3, 2008 in which a South Ossetian police official was killed.

Talon · Mar 6, 2014

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Georgia initiated the conflict following a bomb attack on July 3, 2008 in which a South Ossetian police official was killed.
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The South Ossetians were shelling Georgian villages on August 1.

As Ralph Peters pointed out, Russia was fomenting war there long before August 2008.

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What sparked the conflict proper was when, on the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, Georgia launched a large-scale military bombing offensive against the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali - an onslaught that lasted for 72 hours. Georgia acted irresponsibly in attempting to reconquer the secessionist region of South Ossetia by force, and Russia acted irresponsibly in militarily intervening to prevent Georgia from overrunning South Ossetian militias and Russian peacekeepers:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65469/charles-king/clarity-in-the-caucasus

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Talon said: ↑

The South Ossetians were shelling Georgian villages on August 1.

As Ralph Peters pointed out, Russia was fomenting war there long before August 2008.
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Ralph Peters is a biased opinion piece.

Talon · Mar 6, 2014

The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia. This happened before Saakashvili sent additional troops to South Ossetia and allegedly started the war...

I later met wounded Georgian soldiers in a Tbilisi hospital who confirmed what Patrick Worms had told me about what happened when the war actually started. I felt apprehensive about meeting wounded soldiers. Would they really want to talk to someone in the media or would they rather spend their time healing in peace?

My translator spoke to some of the doctors in the hospital who directed us to Georgian soldiers and a civilian who were wounded in South Ossetia and felt okay enough to speak to a foreign reporter.

“Every day and every hour the Russian side lied,” Georgian soldier Kaha Bragadze said. “It must be stopped. If not today, then maybe tomorrow. My troops were in our village, Avnevi. On the 6th of August they blew up our troops' four-wheel-drives, our pickups. They blew them up. Also in this village – it was August 5th or 6th, I can't remember – they started bombing us with shells. Two soldiers died that day, our peacekeepers. The Ossetians had a good position on the hill. They could see all our positions and our villages, and they started bombing. They went to the top of the hill, bombed us, then went down. We couldn't see who was shooting at us.”

“Which day was this?” I said. “The 5th or the 6th?”

“I don't remember,” he said. “But it started that day from that place when two Georgians were killed.”

“Were they just bombing you the peacekeepers,” I said, “or also civilians and villages?”

“Before they started bombing us they took all the civilians out of their villages,” he said. “Then they started damaging our villages – houses, a gas pipe, roads, yards. They killed our animals. They evacuated their villages, then bombed our villages.”

Another Georgian soldier, Giorgi Khosiashvili, concurred

“I was a peace keeper as well,” he said, “but in another village. I was fired upon on August 6th. On the 5th of August they started shooting. They blew up our peacekeeping trucks. They put a bomb on the road and when they were driving they were blown up. They also mined the roads used by civilians. On the 6th of August they started bombing Avnevi. And at this time they took the civilians out of Tskhinvali and sent them to North Ossetia [inside Russia].”

“I saw this on TV,” said Alex, my translator. “They took the civilians, kids, women, and put them on the bus and sent them to North Ossetia.”...

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php
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How far do you want to go back?

Talon · Mar 6, 2014

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How far do you want to go back?
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Well, we've already gone back to the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991. Shall we take it back another 70 years to when the Red Army conquered Georgia?

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