Reviewing Atheist 'Lack Belief' in Deities theory. <<MOD WARNING ISSUED>>

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  1. William Rea

    William Rea Well-Known Member

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    It's about 'lack of belief' and, I am asking you if you 'lack belief' in the Holocaust or just don't believe it happened?

    It's kind of like asking you about standing by what you posted, you can either answer or not but, you wouldn't stand by it so I doubt your sincerity in posting it.
     
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    William Rea Well-Known Member

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    CARM is not a place you would tend to stumble across by accident and then quote.
     
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you make a good point and the change to I wont confirm or deny definitely brings in to question the previous statement, so what are we to believe ;)

    maybe a Christian that has lost ones faith.... and no longer believes but wants too, I been there once
     
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    Maybe you should do that because your posts are a complete failure here.
     
  5. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Actually I did, thats exactly what happened LMAO

    I normally dont wuote like that but when I read it I said dayam this guy is as smart as me! I can defend this, proof is no one here can rebut any of it.
     
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  6. Kokomojojo

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    Nope I have change nothing, I repeatedly said the same thing, I did change the typo from confirm to affirm which is correct notation. Are you now trying to justify why I argue against the 'lack of belief' theory? Its completely irrelevant you know.
     
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    and I told you the holocaust is ****ing off topic
     
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    I am just wondering why you say you don't believe or disbelieve in a God, when it sounds like your a Christian?

    when asked you give runaround answer like your bearing false witness or something
     
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    I said no such thing, and neither did I say I believe in God.

    Again long hand:

    I neither Affirm the existence of God -NOR- Deny the existence of God.
     
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    you said "I neither believe nor disbelieve in deities", so yes you did...
     
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    geebus ffs it means the same damn thing.

    Again long hand:

    I neither Affirm the existence of God -NOR- Deny the existence of God.
     
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    yes I did what?
     
  13. FreshAir

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    lol, carry on, it's obviously you don't want to answer, such games people play
     
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    Wrong, I dont know wtf you are talking about, do you?

    Yes I did what? _______________________ <--insert what you think I did so we both know.
     
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    you said ""I neither believe nor disbelieve in deities""

    https://www.google.com/search?q=deities&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    de·i·ty
    • the creator and supreme being (in a monotheistic religion such as Christianity).
      noun: Deity; noun: the Deity
    so translation I neither believe nor disbelieve in the creator and supreme being (in a monotheistic religion such as Christianity)
     
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    so you dont comprehend what that means? Seriously?
     
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    I understand, not sure if you do though

    is that the correct interpretation of your comment?
     
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    correct interpretation of deity but apparently not the correct interpretation of what I said
     
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    lol, ok, well your the only one that can clear that up, were not mind readers, I am done here
     
  20. Kokomojojo

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    What I said means agnostic, agnostics neither affirm nor deny. clearer now? Had nothing to do with mind reading, everything to do with understanding the 'substance' of the different positions.
     
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    This **** may impress the other Christians, but the rest of us see it for what it really is, a desperate attempt to hide your own insecurities about your religion. God can never be proven or disproven (which is why Science does not include God in any hypothesis or theory). If you are convinced that there is a God, fine, just don't try to force science or our laws to recognize Him. If someone is convinced God does not exist, so what? If someone not believing in God affects your belief in God, then maybe your belief is not as strong as you thought.

    Also, the logic in this post sucks so hard, it might as well be a blackhole.
     
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    AGNOSTICISM

    Agnosticism and Knowledge Acquisition

    The term agnosticism is derived from the prefix a, meaning “without,” and the Greek word gnosis, meaning “knowledge.” Hence, the literal translation: “lacking knowledge.” The concept of agnosticism, also known as skepticism, is central to the history of Western and Eastern philosophical thought.

    The agnostic doubts the possibility of human knowledge in one or more domains of inquiry, especially the domain of metaphysics (the field that attempts to determine the nature of ultimate reality). In this sense, the term agnostic is synonymous with skeptky doubter, and so forth.

    Two kinds of agnosticism may be distinguished. The first kind, characteristic of the Pyrrhonian skeptics and some Buddhist philosophers, involves a suspension of judgment regarding some metaphysical proposition p (e.g.,“The soul exists”). Call this negative agnosticism. The negative agnostic neither affirms nor denies p, but suspends all judgment on the matter. This form of agnosticism is comparable to the answer of one who is asked, “How much change do I have in my pocket?” The answer will likely be, “I don’t know.” To say that one does not know is not to commit oneself to any particular view—certainly not to the view that it is impossible to know. Rather, neither the belief that p nor the belief that not-p plays a significant role in one’s life. This form of agnosticism stands in contrast to the positive agnostic who affirms that p is unknowable. A positive agnostic will likely have arrived at it after having considered and rejected some arguments for p or because of some principled reason for thinking it impossible to settle the issue (e.g., the belief that human knowledge is too finite and limited to make such a determination).

    Within a religious context, the agnostic either suspends judgment regarding the existence of God (negative agnosticism) or positively believes that God’s existence is unknowable (positive agnosticism). Agnosticism, in either case, constitutes one of three major positions on the issue of whether God exists—the others being theism and atheism, belief and disbelief in God, respectively. Agnosticism about God thus falls under the domain of metaphysics.
     
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    Oh thats what it really is, huh? Anything else Dr Freud? What religion am I? Do you know? You sure I am not a self hating atheist?

    Thats great then you are just the person I have been looking for to go over the set of proofs and point out each suck for us with a counterargument or rebuttal, hope you can do better than the last 2, neither could point out one suck and neither could come up with so much as one counter argument.

    So my boy is up 2 to 0 so far.
     
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    It's about 'lack of belief' the crux of the title and, I am asking you if you 'lack belief' in the Holocaust or just don't believe it happened? You could just say that you believe that it happened? You want to make me commit to an answer that I don't hold as a position, I'm seeing if you understand why?

    It's kind of like asking you about standing by what you posted, you can either answer or not but, you wouldn't stand by it so I doubt your sincerity in posting it.
     
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    If I want to destroy Matt Slick, I'll go find him. Make your case and I will destroy you but, you won't commit to anything will you?
     

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