Right Wing GOP Has Been Promoting Abortions for 35 yrs

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    GeorgiaAmy Well-Known Member

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    What's the motive for the right wing politicians to promote abortion?
     
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    Politics = keeps some voters from remembering how badly the NOT GOP has screwed the economy since 1980.

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    Planned Parenthood supporters are not necessarily funding abortions not by any stretch. Planned Parenthood supporters such as my family are supporting
    women's rights and the many medical services that Planned Parenthood provides.

    Birth Control no matter how does keep expenses down. Sex Education can keep expenses down. Making fathers provide for their children whether they wanted these children or not
    would keep expenses down...... go after the DNA and make Dads pay up.
     
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    Democrats must stand strong against Republican attacks on Planned Parenthood

    We've reached 107,221 or 71% of our goal of 150,000.

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    Democrats must stand strong against Republican attacks on Planned Parenthood
    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell just put the Republican attack on Planned Parenthood on a fast track.

    Just over a week ago, a group of extreme anti-abortion activists opened a new front of attack on Planned Parenthood by releasing a video that has since been widely discredited. Republican politicians immediately latched on to the smear campaign as an excuse to grandstand for their anti-woman agenda. Senator Rand Paul threatened to filibuster any bills that did not include amendments to completely defund Planned Parenthood. And just yesterday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell put a bill to defund Planned Parenthood on a fast track for a quick vote in the Senate.

    Planned Parenthood does invaluable work providing healthcare for women, and defending women’s rights. When Republicans scheme with anti-abortion extremists to defund them, they’re not just threatening women’s lives, they’re also aggressively striking at one of the most important advocates for women in the country.

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    Democrats have to push back now. They need to go on the record in support of Planned Parenthood’s work and speak out to discredit these orchestrated attacks. And they must block any attempts to undermine or defund Planned Parenthood in Congress.

    Tell Democrats: It’s time to stand up for Planned Parenthood.

    The right-wing has a long history of using selectively edited, secretly obtained video to discredit vital progressive institutions and provide political cover for Republicans in Congress to destroy them. It’s what they did to ACORN and it’s what they have been trying to do to Planned Parenthood for years. Some anti-abortion activists are clearly willing to say anything, no matter how untrue, to pursue their agenda. It’s outrageous that Republican politicians, in a blatant attempt to throw women and their families under the bus to score points with their extremist, anti-woman base, are choosing to join them.

    The anti-abortion activists trying to discredit and destroy Planned Parenthood released a second video this week, and it was just as deceptive as the first one. They've promised that more video is to come, which would provide even more cover for Republicans who want to use these lies as an excuse to attack Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is fighting back on every front, and as many of us as possible need to stand up to join them.

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    You asserted right wingers promote abortion. I asked what motive would provoke the right wing to promote abortion.

    Don't post links. You made an accusation. Use your own intellect and vocabulary to support your claim.
     
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    Politics = keeps some voters from remembering how badly the NOT GOP right wing conservative screwed the economy since 1980.
     
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    GeorgiaAmy Well-Known Member

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    So the GOP is promoting abortions today in childbearing aged women who weren't even alive in 1980 in hopes who will forget what?
    Just stop, please...just stop.
     
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    The fact of the matter abortion numbers have been dropping for several consecutive years = education and contraceptives = Planned Parenthood as among those doing the right thing.

    Conservatives need distractions in an effort to make as many voters as possible forget how conservatives have screwed the economy and put millions out of work and out of homes and out of retirement plans since 1980. This has nothing to do with age or women but a lot to do with reckless conservatives and their unacceptable behavior as elected officials. If abortions went to zero conservatives would still be screaming about abortions. Kinda like their stupid ass position on voting fraud.

    It's all about distraction distraction distraction and deception.
     
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    People who support PP and those who help fund it are not necessarily the same groups of people. For example, Planned Parenthood Got $540.6 Million in Government Grants in FY 2013. So taxpayers who may not support PP are funding this entity. What would definitely keep the costs down is not funding any reckless behaviors in any fashion including perpetual welfare. There are third world countries that don't have welfare and don't have the unplanned parenting issues we have in this country. The fact that this country even enables, promotes, and funds poor behavior is embarrassing.

    The issue of making fathers provide for their children is a good point. If there is to be some personal responsibility for women, it should be the same for men. This said, courts may not be able to recoup the cost of chasing and garnishing the wages of a deadbeat (mom or dad). If only people realized the caliber of person before they have sex with them.

    All in all, men and women should be responsible for the consequences of their own sex lives and it should not be incumbent on the rest of the populace to mitigate irresponsible behavior.
     
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    "Planned Parenthood Got $540.6 Million in Government Grants in FY 2013. " = Must not be such a bad organization after all.

    So what is wrong with providing medical care for the lower wage aka less fortunate people and families?

    Planned Parenthood locations are more like medical clinics which offer a variety of services for both male and female. A great source for low income human beings.

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-info

    Planned Parenthood is doing its' part in keeping medical insurance cost down which is a real challenge considering the while collar crooks in the industry.

    "Stand up for Planned Parenthood and block any attempts to undermine or defund Planned Parenthood in Congress."

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    I'm not one to defend the GOP, but didn't a republican president get many people in homes during his tenure? Yes, Bush got a lot of people into homes. Grant it, had the oil prices not spiked as terribly as they did, the housing bubble wouldn't have crashed the economy as bad as it did.

    Now that I'm typing this out, I'm realizing how much the Republican president did more for the Americans than our current Democratic president. Can't scapegoat the GOP for distractions on this one.
     
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    Bush and Obama have been bad presidents. Do you know why Reagan and Clinton were infinitely better? Do you know why Obama and Bush were crappy?
     
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    The Bush people got a lot of people into home loans they could not afford using their blind eye method. Which created a huge drop in home loan values across
    the USA which put too many homeowners owing more than their properties would bring on the market.

    Meanwhile:

    GOP WAGES WAR AGAINST USA CITZIENS AND THEIR ECONOMY
    --- Did Conservatives deliberately crash the US economy?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/09/did-republicans-deliberately-crash-us-economy

    --- The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist Sponsored by Conservatives
    http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

    --- The Bush/Cheney Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/...-Meme-and-Ignore-the-Money-Launderers-UPDATED

    --- What did conservatives Bush and Henry Paulson do with the $700 billion of bail out money?
    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

    --- Why did CONSERVATIVE GW Bush Lie About Social Security?( This would cost taxpayers $4 trillion,place taxpayers insurance money at risk and wreck the economy)
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

    --- Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts – The CONSERVATIVE ENTITLEMENT Package for
    the wealtiest 1%.
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

    ALL OF THE ABOVE explains why conservatives are still screaming about abortions,voter fraud,Right To Work FOR LESS and other useless nonsense = DISTRACT AND DECEPTION.

    SEE:http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...op-has-been-promoting-abortions-35-yrs-6.html
     
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    I would argue against Clinton being better than anyone. He signed the NAFTA agreement that shipped jobs out of the country and launched this country into its globalism ideals. Now we get to compete with slave wages. Quite awful imo. Reagan, don't know much about him except he's worshiped so much. I guess he's ok off the strength of that.

    Bush was only crappy because he played too much in the international theater. Otherwise, he's the only president in my lifetime who did something about getting many Americans into homes. He pandered to Americans and I respected his brand of conservatism even though my family was staunchly Democrat. If not for the major oil issues, he would go down in history as a tremendous president. I really mean this.

    As for Obama, all of his signature moves only negatively impacted me. I got to experience some tax hikes and I'm forced to pay for healthcare. Healthcare was leverage I used to negotiate myself higher pay rates because companies didn't have to pay for it, if I opted out. And last, people will probably credit him for saving the economy, but he "saved" it at the expense of doubling the debt.

    Anyways this is my take on those four.
     
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    Bush's people didn't get people into loans they could not afford. That credit goes to greedy business leaders, greedy stakeholders, and the ill-informed homeowner.

    Q: Did Conservatives deliberately crash the US economy?

    A: No. The oil prices crashed the economy. I remember this very well.

    For the rest of these, none would negate the fact that this country is terribly in debt and that many programs should be cut. I will say that if any of these others are true, that Democrats should lead the investigation. I can't support corruption.
     
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    Fraud certainly was very important in the housing bubble of recent years. But the housing bubble—like bubbles generally—did not depend on fraud, and most of its development was there for everyone to see. With the principal problems out in the open and with the authorities not only ignoring those problems but contributing to their development, one might say that the situation with the housing bubble was worse than a Ponzi scheme. And Madoff bilked his marks out of only $50 billion, while trillions were lost in the housing bubble.

    Bubbles involve actual investments in real or financial assets—housing in the years since 2000, high-tech stocks in the 1990s, and Dutch tulips in the 17th century. People invest believing that the price of the assets will continue to rise; as long as people keep investing, the price does rise. While some early speculators can make out very well, this speculation will not last indefinitely. Once prices start to fall, panic sets in and the later investors lose.

    A bubble is similar to a Ponzi scheme: early participants can do well while later ones incur losses; it is based on false expectations; and it ultimately falls apart. But there need be no fraudulent operator at the center of a bubble. Also, while a Ponzi scheme depends on people giving their money to someone else to invest (e.g., Madoff), people made their own housing investments—though mortgage companies and banks made large fees for handling these investments.

    Often, government plays a role in bubbles. The housing bubble was in part generated by the Federal Reserve maintaining low interest rates. Easy money meant readily obtainable loans and, at least in the short run, low monthly payments. Also, Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan denied the housing bubble’s existence—not fraud exactly, but deception that kept the bubble going. (Greenspan, whose view was ideologically driven, got support in his bubble denial from the academic work of the man who was to be his successor, Ben Bernanke.)

    IN ADDITION, government regulatory agencies turned a blind eye to the highly risky practices of financial firms, practices that both encouraged the development of the bubble and made the impact all the worse when it burst. Moreover, the private rating agencies (e.g., Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s) were complicit. Dependent on the financial institutions for their fees, they gave excessively good ratings to these risky investments. Perhaps not fraud in the legal sense, but certainly misleading.

    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

    Elizabeth Warren, before becoming an elected official, advised congress and the Bush administration of what was coming down the pike on the home loan fiasco. Bush admin officials could have stepped in and conservatives controlling congress could also have stepped in. The blind eyes won and America lost as did many many banks around the world that bought bundles of bad USA home loans = stinks big time.
     
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    Lots of reasons for conservatives wanting to distract voters. Conservatives have been using abortion as one of those tools for 30 years.
     
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    Home loan values do not experience a "huge drop." Home loans are made for a specific amount. Payments fluctuate very little in a fixed mortgage...maybe a few dollars a month if your property value changes or your insurance goes up. Fluctuation is caused by changes in escrow terms typically, not loan terms. I would bet every cent I have in the bank you have never had a mortgage before.
    When you go biy a mustang you cannot afford payments for, the dealership repossesses it. Same with property. Stupid people are excellent targets for scheming. Get smart or get taken advantage of.
    I will tell you what I frequently tell my teenaged children...life is not fair. Whoever fed you that manure lied.
     
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    "The Bush people got a lot of people into home loans they could not afford using their blind eye method. Which created a huge drop in RESIDENTIAL MARKET VALUES across
    the USA which put too many homeowners owing more than their properties would bring on the market."

    THANKS to bad home loans and Bush regulators doing nothing.

    Lots of reasons for conservatives wanting to distract voters. Conservatives have been using abortion as one of those tools for 30 years. Conservatives appear not to be the financial management giants
    of our time. Simply full of BS.
     
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    Whatever tax penalties you pay for opting out of healthcare is more than compensated by lower fuel costs if you drive.
    As an adult with a family and mortgage, life under Clinton was much better than under GW and Obama. The latter two are too polarizing. That doesn't make the public feel safe economically. Spending slows, the economy drags and it hits everyone. The most important role of the US president is to instill confidence and security. That ability is tremendously important.
     
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    Greedy people will be greedy. The way to regulate them is to jail them for any crimes (e.g. Madoff) and to not bail them out when they cry about to big to fail. Bush and Co messed up by mitigating the consequences of their reckless behaviors. This is much like federal funding for abortion mills to mitigate the consequences of reckless behavior.
     
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    I didn't pay much attention to politics under Bush. I do remember that under him gas prices spiked. All I heard during the last few years of his presidency was people getting laid off left and right because the price for shipping and transportation was crippling businesses everywhere.

    He flame-baited after Sept 11 and allowed unconstitutional laws, but he also did some work to help the American public. He also engaged the public regularly with his prayer events. I'm not Christian, but at the time felt he was somewhat engaged in the public.
     
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    Meet the Texas Mafia

    http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm
     
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    About the concern over sale of tissue ... if that is a point of fact?

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California Attorney General Kamala Harris says she plans to review undercover videos released by anti-abortion activists aimed at discrediting Planned Parenthood's procedures for providing fetal tissue to researchers to see if any laws were broken.

    Harris announced the move Friday in a letter to four members of Congress who had requested an investigation.

    The video shows a Planned Parenthood medical director in California meeting with people posing as potential buyers of intact fetal specimens.

    Messages left with the Center for Medical Progress, which made the videos, were not immediately returned.

    Federal law prohibits the commercial sale of fetal tissue, but it allows not-for-profit donation of tissue if the women who underwent abortions give their consent. Planned Parenthood says the payments discussed in the videos pertain to reimbursement for the costs of procuring the tissue — which is legal.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...igated-by-california_55b2e7f7e4b0074ba5a4bff4
     
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    You should be able to sell anything that is yours.
    A kidney, sperm, an egg, blood, tissue....
    I have O- blood. For those unaware, I am a universal doner. Anyone can use my blood. It is rare. I can only take O- blood. I cannot legally bank my blood for myself or my kids.
    I had two abortions in the 90's...Never was there a discussion about the extracted tissue. Maybe that has changed. Laws invthe US regarding medicine, healthcare, etc are kind of twisted I my opinion.
     
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    No , the number didn't explode. When abortions were illegal they were available.

    And who is going to force your sense of your social/morals on the general populace ?


    Canada has no abortion laws and their rate is slightly lower than the US.
     

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