Rockets Fired Between Gaza and Tel Aviv

non of this proves your claim that the white jewish europeans are descended from the biblical israelites. everybodies dna can be traced back to the middle east.

 

no they didnt. it was built by and exclusively for white jewish europeans, whom incidentally deny Black Jews existence to the very core. it is a white nationalist business venture at present.

 

I completely agree with your above argument and have used it myself many times.

I also add this. Being Jewish can ALSO be compared to being Irish, Italian, German, Czech, Japanese. Outside the home country these people are defined as an ethnic group. Inside the country they become a national group.

So it is with we Jews. We are also an ethnic group no different than over 125 other ethnic groups who like Israel have a law that facilitates the return to their countries for eligibility for citizenship to people identified with a common ancestry which includes the countries I mentioned and so many others like Taiwan, China, Croatia, Serbia, Belgium , Slovakian Republic, Ukraine, Bulgaria, South Korea for North Koreans or vice versa, Latvia, Estonia,Lithuania, to name a few.

This is where people get confused.

In Israel the definition of Jew in the sense of practicing the religion is an open ended debate. For example I as a Reform Jew I am not considered by Rabbinical courts of Israel to be a "true" Jew.

Its safe to say the vast majority of Israeli Jews are not even religious. The best way to explain them is with the term "existentialist". They live day by day overwhelmed by taxes and understanding that at any moment they could be attacked by a terrorist. So the only things they truly agree on and I am dead serious is-1-the need to do what is required to protect themselves from terrorism, and 2-they think their taxes are too high.

I do not mean to speak for Israelis only repeat what they tell me.

I am a Canadian Jew so I am an example of a Jew who is not nationally a Jew but shares in common a Jewish identity with Israelis but not based on religion but a common ancestry required to create a state to liberate Jews from never ending Christian and Muslim governments.

In that sense my sense of common identity is very similiar to the way gay and lesbians feel. They do not necessarily agree on religion or politics but they share a same sense of persecution. Like gays and lesbians Jews have a distinct culture. Its not an accident gay and lesbian culture and Jewish culture are so close in cooperation, expression and share the same dry, effacing, self depreciating humour and ironically their pink triangle comes from where our yellow star of David came from. Its also why gays from the Muslim world including Gaza and the Westbank flee to Israel to seek refuge.

Every Jew expresses themselves in many ways. We don't agree on a damn thing most of the time.

As a Canadian I have a strong affinity with Israel surviving as a Jewish state but it does NOT mean I do not think Palestinians should have their own state as well and most importantly my loyalty is to Canada first. If I felt there was a conflict I have no business being a Canadian citizen. I do not demand Canada say or do a thing about my identity. To me it is a private matter and it only becomes a concern if fellow Canadians using the pretext of discussing Israel do not differentiate between Jews and Israelis and/or make hateful comments about both.

I do not ask or impose my views on anyone. On this forum I do only to respond to anti Israelis. I do not speak for any Jews, Israelis, Palestinians or anyone but myself.

 

Yeah Esau, Jews belong to the Semitic group, closely related to Arabs.
It's in the culture, the language and the DNA.

 

Sure, it's a hard one. Two ancient peoples laying claim to the one piece of land.
But Palestine is one tenth of one percent of the whole Middle East. And Arabs
lose their mind over the thought of the Jews returning to it.
The least the Arabs could have done was share it when asked by the International
Community.

 

You seem to be the only one I can think of when discussing this issue understands the origin of Jordan. Thank you.

 

Esau here goes on about this. He hails from Botswana. A cursory reading of Botswana
history shows it has been 'stolen' from previous peoples three times. German land has
been 'stolen' and I would hate for them to go on the war path again to reclaim it as Hitler
did with the Sudetenland. Now China wants to reclaim land - it claims Taiwan but this
little island was colonized by the Dutch, then faced Chinese immigration, then Spanish
and Japanese.
If we are going to infest the world with border wars then every nation will have an issue.
Palestinians should accept the UN partition - Arabs could still live freely in what is now
Israel, as two million still do. And Palestine would have been a real, independent Arab
state, free from Turks, Syrians, Egyptians etc..
Imagine if the indigenous of Taiwan wanted to fight the Chinese and the Chinese want
to fight the Japanese and Americans --- forever. What would become of Taiwan? Same
with Palestine.

 

Conversions. End of story. Your whole premise is debunked right there.

 

You seem to be confusing colonialism with border wars.

 

you seem to be confusing contemporary israelis with biblical israelites.
this is a common error within eurocentric circles

 

Esau, the science backs up the history - Jews all over the world are .... jews.
And Jews, as both science and history tell you, originated firstly in Sumer.
Abraham emigrated to Syria and then Canaan. He was called a "Hebrew"
and after Egyptian slavery, at some point, they were called Jews. Probably
something to do with the land of Judea, named for Judah, one of Abraham's
grandsons.
Judea today is colonized by Arabs, but it belongs to the Jews.

How much European and Arab is in modern Jews? I'll take a guess, about
50% of Jewish DNA is mixed. But the Jews are still an entity, just as Arabs
and Africans are entities, though mixed.

 

WHEN did Botswana end slavery? I read on Wiki that there is still forms
of slavery in Botswana -
Wiki
'Botswana is a source and destination country for women and children
subjected to trafficking in persons, specifically forced labor and commercial
sexual exploitation'

are Rothschilds living there?

Don't be proud of Botswana.

 

This is you saying that Palestine is 0,1% of the ME and so Arabs can be removed there because Arabs can live in the other 99,9% of the ME because they are Arabs too. It is a frequent argument used by Jews to try justify them stealing real estate from Arabs because they are Arabs and ethnic cleansing does little harm. The argument is utterly and utterly racist out of a viewpoint that Arabs are 2nd class and their rights do not matter. Thanks for expressing your racist viewpoint Poohbear.

 

Thing is, Taiwan was inhabited by ethnic Chinese, Dutch colonists came, Dutch colonist left. It's still ethnic Chinese. The same ethnic Chinese live in China. It has in fact become more ethnic Chinese when the ethnic pro capitalist / pro royal Chinese fled to Taiwan for the communist Chinese. It has nothing to do with Israel.

The Jews should accept the UN partition plan as well as the Balfour declaration, where the indigenous Arab population was allowed to live where the were living. The Jews should accept that when they got claims saying they own real estate somewhere and demand their rights, that Arabs also got claims they got real estate somewhere and accept they got rights too. Esau acknowledges Arabs having these claims in Israel, but doesn't want to accept it because Arabs are Arabs, while he undoubtingly has no problem with accepting a Jew claiming real estate in Israel.

You lot simply demand apartheid and living in peace.

 

Apartheid means economic and political separation. Gaza wouldn't come under this
term as it is a terrorist state - the wall there isn't for economics or politics, it was put
there after hundreds of Israelis were murdered in suicide bombings and stabbings.

Taiwan was occupied by an aboriginal people first - these people went on to have
their own little empire in Asia. And then the Dutch arrived.
In fact aboriginal peoples lived in Japan, Hawaii and all of South East Asia. Who
owns what?
I would say that the Canaanites are the 'real' indigenous peoples of Palestine.
They were there when the first Hebrew arrived - Abraham. Should they go back?
No, because after the Hebrews came back ca 1200 BC during the Bronze Age
Collapse the Canaanites moved mostly to Lebanon. They have a home.
But Jews don't have a home. Even Iraq where they were for 2500 years wasn't
considered their home. And in Russia for about a thousand years - they couldn't
call it home.
Antisemitism was the driver here.
And to drive Jews out of Palestine today (how?) would lead to a quandary -
where exactly IS the home of the Jews?

 

Those Arabs who chose to stay in 1948 are doing fine. You see street signs in Hebrew
and Arabic, and that's nice. They form a growing voting block in the Israeli Knesset.
They don't want to go back to West Bank, they don't want to be under Abbas rule. They
say that in polls. They get killed too in terrorist attacks. Wasn't a whole family of them
killed a few weeks back when some Islamist thought they were Jews?

The expulsion and exile of the Jews led to about 10-15 million deaths.

 

You are not responding to my reply to your utterly racist idea that Palestine is 0,1% of the ME and Arabs can live somewhere else.

 

Israel falls under this term of apartheid, since Israel political supports the idea that Arabs can not claim their real estate that was stolen because they are Arab, but Jews can because they are Jews. This has a massive economic impact as well.

The Dutch play no roll in who lives in Taiwan now. And you're deflecting.

There is no question that the Palestinians are the ingenious people in Israel.
They have lived there as long as people are able to figure out.
And the Jews illegally ethnically cleansed +700,000 of them, trashing international law.

Their home is where they are able to acquire real estate without thieving it. Obviously.

 

It's an interesting question - where will the Jews go if they can't stay in their
own Israel. Just 'acquire real estate' means living anywhere - and open to
the antisemitic depredation - early after the exile Jews took up farming in
many nations and did so well they were banned from the practice. So that's
where the 'money lender' became common - they couldn't hold sizable
estates or farms.

Saying that the 'Palestinians' are the indigenous people is odd because
whoever lives in Palestine is a 'Palestinian.'. That includes the Canaanites,
Hebrews, Greeks, Romans, Christians and finally Arabs.

But I wonder, can the Dutch claim Taiwan? It was there's, just as Arabs
think Israel is theirs.

Did Jews 'trash international law' ??? This law gave them half their land
back (much of it already purchased at inflated prices). It was the Arabs
who rejected international law - and in their attempt at ethnic cleansing
they fell under a more onerous law - the law of being defeated in a war
they started. If you can't abide by the law, and you and seven Arab
armies are roundly thrashed whilst making plans for genocide, why
should Israel be concerned for international laws that you ignored?

Anyhow, there's two million Arabs in Israel. And two Jews in Iraq and
two in Somalia. That says it plainly - apartheid.

 

What has botswana got to do with anything besides @Josh77 being proud of them?

 

Utter nonsense.

 

Good response. Ima use that one next time im lost for words.

 

What is there left to say? Your comment was, that Israel was founded for White people only, which is utter nonsense, There are Arab Jews, Ethiopian Jews, etc. and you cannot give one single source that Israel denied these Jews access in any way.

I mean I can state that you are an alien from Alpha Centauri trolling here to confuse humanity, but without any sources "utter nonsense" is the correct description.

Israel was founded overwhelmingly by socialists, the first prime minister was a socialist and the whole Kibbutz concept was a socialist idea. Why are Ethiopian Jews living there if it was founded as an Apartheid state, hmmm?

 

60% of all Jews in Israel are of Middle Eastern descent. Many others are people like the Druze.
Only 20% of Jews in Israel came from Europe or America.

Middle East Jews come from Morocca, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Ethiopia,Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey,
India, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon.
MANY OF THESE ARE REFUGEES FROM MUSLIM PERSECUTION.

 

Its still a white nationalist venture. The ruling ethnic group (white europeans) believe that they are chosen by god and that black ppl cannot be part of this group.

Its a shameful cult like religion that developed within the last century.