Ron DeSantis to Joe Biden: No FEMA vaccine ‘camps’

Let me rephrase your question.

"Wait, what, I'm 4000 miles away from Florida and my spoon fed anti Desantis (wtf hes a Republican he sux!) propaganda isn't accurate to what residents that have lived there for 40 years and follow local events and have parents, neighbors and coworkers that have already received their first shot know?"

Was that what you meant?

 

Well, my brother & sister-in-law have lived in Florida for 30 years, and I've lived in Florida for 21 years.

We all liked DeSantis just fine for a bit. Once he took the train to crazy town, he lost all of us.

 

Hacks always expose themselves. Some justvsooner than others.

 

I don't think many Pharmacies are set up for a military-grade vaccination program. That takes up space in the pharmacies which currently only have a small waiting area for flu-shots.

Of course, we don't need camps either.

 

Well then to avoid crazy town maybe buy Cuomos book, he can explain how Florida could easily have doubled the death count with just a tweak here and there, added bonus, he's a beloved Democrat that does great briefings and articulates the word ven-ta-lator extremely well.

Unfortunately not all of your family would survive to enjoy his briefings, but those that made it would get all tingly.

 

Is that the best you have to offer? Seriously?

LOL

Weak. Very low energy. Very trumpian!!

 

DeSantis is bad because he’s a Republican and he never publicly spoke out against Trump. . Worse yet, he sometimes said good things about him. That makes DeSantis unfit for office.

 

I rarely agree with you, SEC, but this time I do.
This is one of the reasons why I think the FDA should move faster to approve the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. We need more options. The Oxford/AstraZeneca is also a 2-shot vaccine but the refrigeration demands are not as strict, and we contracted with them for 300,000,000 doses. This one would be easily handled by pharmacies like CVS and Walgreens. It's been approved by several reputable countries already and is in use, given to millions, so at this point the FDA should let go of only looking at their certainly rather messy phase 3 trial. We're passed this point. It's in the international market already with no issues. Sure, their trial was controversial but even if we take the smallest efficacy they got in one of the data subsets, 62%, that's still good enough for the 50% minimum threshold for approval. And the important point is that even though the efficacy against infection is lower than that for other vaccines, NOBODY who got the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine has needed hospitalization. No severe cases, no deaths. So, when this vaccine doesn't avoid infection, it still avoids severe disease and death. What else do we need???

Fortunately Janssen's phase 3 trial is about to conclude, and this one is one-shot, regular refrigerator temperatures, and we pre-ordered 100 million doses, so, if the phase 3 trial is good, this vaccine alone would be enough to inoculate one third of the population.

Given the messy Oxford/AstraZeneca data that are delaying its approval, my hope now resides with the Janssen. I'm waiting for the phase 3 data with a lot of trepidation. If it's at least 60% efficacy for infections and 95%+ for severe disease, this one could really change the game; 100 million single shot doses would significantly enhance our arsenal against Covid-19.

Two other issues: colchicine and ivermectin have been showing extremely good promise in randomized controlled trials, with evidence actually better than the one for FDA-approved Remdesivir. After the hydroxychloroquine fiasco, the field is not willing to strongly endorse these repurposed drugs until more RCTs come along and prove efficacy with no possible doubt. Which is a pity in a sense because if we were to move faster, we'd save lives, I think. I am fairly convinced of the efficacy of ivermectin (the NIH has just cancelled a contrary recommendation they had issued in August, in view of positive RCTs) and I do not think that endorsing it now would be equivalent to the hydroxychloroquine fiasco. However that fiasco did so much damage that we are wary of repeating it.

 

yup, that is what those who simply listen to the mainstream media and NPR have been spoon-fed

 

how about that? The reasons we've disagreed is

A: I do not have much patience for the politicizing of Covid: it's a virus

B: Covid is here to stay and the sooner that we all come to grasp with that, the sooner we move on with our lives. It's been a year and locking down and killing economies hasn't eradicated Covid. It's about improving our immunity, be it vaccination or building antibodies post-infection

You want to see politics in play, look at the Democrat governors who now have changed their stripes with respect to opening up economies now that Biden is in office. Utterly despicable yet predictable.

You want to see politics in play: watch the stories in the media as it changes from the death du jour of some granny who hasn't touched their family and now has died, to how quickly the vaccines are getting out. All because Biden is now in office. Again, despicable yet predictable

 

DeSantis did a great job with the Covid Fraud.

 

That is not at all why we disagree, because I've always battled against the politicizing of the virus, and I've always criticized Democrat governors as well when they needed to be criticized.

I post about this virus from the standpoint of medical care and medical research, period.

I do wonder about all this whining regarding lockdowns. Of the 50 states, currently only California has a partial lockdown in some areas of the state, and North Carolina has a stay-home order during the night which nobody obeys. All other 48 states have no such orders. What the hell is the imaginary lockdown you all keep complaining of? I'm frankly sick and tired of hearing about lockdowns, which aren't happening since May. By the way I've never advocated for lockdowns either, stating that the economic price to pay is too stiff. I'm also an advocate for reopening schools.

No, what I don't agree with is your cavalier attitude about this: "it's a virus, let's just build up our immunity to it." You have demonstrated that you have no idea how serious this virus is, and you continue to talk about it as no big deal, and your post above is evidence that you think that the way it's been talked about is exclusively political.

The idea that we'll just go out and build natural immunity from this deadly virus that has a relatively small CFR but a significantly higher rate of sequelae that are quite disabling and often fatal, is hopelessly naïve.

Yes, going out and exercising, eating right, getting sunrays etc., getting in touch with the usual fauna and flora out there in nature do have benefits for the immune system... but we don't go out and try to breath in the tuberculosis bacillus to build up our immune system... or the meningococcus... diseases that either kill or leave behind significant health consequences or do both, we avoid them and try to get immunity through vaccines. It's as simple as that, and THAT'S where we disagree, not the political BS.

 

DeSantis is handling it (or trying to) and people can't get the vaccines. He is failing.

 

@sec California's governor has just lifted their lockdown. That leaves only a toothless "stay at home at night" order in NC.

So, posters won't stop whining about lockdowns... which only exist as a figment of their imagination.

 

I live in Miami/Ft Lauderdale area and dont know a single person who has been able to get the shot and I know many who have spent lot of time trying to get one.

 

Florida ranks 27th, middle of the pack.
States ranked by percentage of COVID-19 vaccines ...
www.beckershospitalreview.com › public-health › state...
3 days ago — States ranked by percentage of COVID-19 vaccines administered: Jan. ... of COVID-19 vaccines that have been distributed to each state and the total ... The faster we go thru this process is the sooner we will start to beat down ...

 

A close friend was finally able to score a 1st shot last week. He's mid sixties, has diabetes and recovered from colon cancer in 2019. That got him moved up, but they were on the phone every day for several weeks trying to score.

 

that's good because even in liberal Cal they were trying to recall the governor. If getting Biden into office is what it took to stop the hysteria and politics, then good. And whether I have as you say a "cavalier" attitude toward a virus or you have as I say a "statist" attitude, doesn't change the fact that Covid is endemic and not going away.

 

Oh, so since May there's been virtually NO lockdown but you think it's only because Biden was elected, huh? Where the hell is all this imaginary lockdown you all complain of, and who has ordered one, pray tell?

Covid can be defeated with easy-to-tweak, highly efficacious mRNA vaccines. Welcome to the 21st century.

My attitude is not "statist." It is scientific.

 

800,000 barrels a day! Huge buffoon of a move! Kills jobs in Canada and the U.S. Gives power to China, Russia and OPEC. All because we are trying to repair relations with other countries who hate us? And, I suppose you are for boys competing with girls in high school, college and professional sports? It's okay if a girl who is qualified to compete with men. Not the other way around.

 

Send more vaccines.

 

I know multiple people that already had 1st round, they were persistent, others not so much.

In case you didn't know there is a high demand, and limited supply. Were not heading door to door.

 

I know a way! Let the companies that make it set up a MLM business and it will get to everyone in weeks!!!

 

I am not well-informed about vaccination plans made elsewhere - only about the plans we made in our hospital system. So, your article says that my state got a bit more than 50% of the received doses, into people's arms. I can say that in my hospital we did hold back for second doses. We purchased (for about $20,000) an industrial deep-freezer and we stored the Pfizer doses we have received. We got enough out of the freezer to vaccinate by now ALL our workers who didn't decline the vaccine with their first doses; and we kept the other half to do the second doses, since we did not trust the federal government to send uninterrupted supplies of 2nd doses, and we were darn right about it, it seems!

I've heard in the news (nothing official, like I said, I only have insider info regarding my own hospital system) of 2nd dose shortages in other systems (out-of-state; I haven't heard the same in-state), while we have comfortably started scheduling the 2nd dose vaccination clinics without having to rely on any further shipments, which turned erratic as we had predicted. So, I'm not sure if this "about 50%" piece of data is a bad thing. It could mean optimal utilization of the stock, because I definitely do not subscribe to the notion of using up the stock to give 1st doses to as many as possible, without guaranteed 2nd doses.

Because, see, there are new strains coming and the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still protective against them, but at least in the case of the B.1.135, not as much; there is a drop in efficacy. So we absolutely do need people to get the two doses to achieve as much protection as possible and have a cushion in case of dropped efficacy against new aggressive strains. Ideas to the contrary are again coming from politicians who are issuing them without listening to scientists... as there is no sufficient data to ascertain that spacing out or skipping second doses will achieve decent protection, like the FDA has said in a memo.

So, great, North Dakota has used up 84.35% of their stock... but does it mean that they completed 1st and 2nd doses with this utilization, or that imprudently they used up this many with first doses and now will run out of second doses? I would like to see stats about 1st AND 2nd doses to have a clearer view of what states are doing best.

Looking at a local source (a local newspaper), I see that my state has administered about 550K first doses and about 84K second doses. We have received about 1,250,000 doses. So to get all 550K who got first doses fully vaccinated we need 466K doses and... we have them! We have in stock 613K. So our excess is only 147K, which is enough for another 73.5K of our citizens. Therefore we aren't doing so poorly! Our pace to get these 73.5 in arms was translating to about 5 days, and we're now hoping to accelerate it more, organizing some mega events for 45,000 people. That is, we're 5 days behind as of now, but aiming at shortening that.

When looked at it this way we're doing quite well, and the limitation is not the last mile and our logistics, but rather, the number of vaccines we've been receiving from the feds. Our state has about 8.8 million inhabitants who are older than 16-18, that is, are eligible for vaccines under the terms of the Emergency Use Authorization (these vaccines are not approved for younger people). 1,250,000 doses that we've received are enough for 625K of our citizens; that's what is not so good. We need 17.6 million doses of the vaccine (8.8M x 2). Say, 18 million to account for accidentally spoiled doses or doses that go to waste at the end of the day in case of no takers. We got 1,250,000... which is only 6.95% of what we need.

So, I'd blame the lack of vaccines for our performance, rather than our own logistics and last mile.

 

draconian measures placed upon small businesses which cause them to shutter for good. You then have bankruptcies and people lose their livelihoods and looking to big daddy govt for support. That's all politics. Here in FL the census is dropping at all the hospitals and that is during our high season when all the northerners bring their diseases with them