Routine Traffic Stop leads to 7 dead - in Odessa

Chicago is an urban hell hole with strict gun control laws.
When will they ever learn.

 

Like worshiping in a synagog? Like going to a grocery store? Like being black?

These are the civil liberties that are just too much to take?

 

When and if Texas turns blue then the criminal will be the victim.

 

For simplicity's sake, & on this forum, there's nothing gained by digging too deeply into complex details. The issues are clearly delineated, & we all have opinions.

 

First by refusing guns to those who would do you harm. There are many steps to work thru following that.

 

Call them whatever you want, it doesn't change the focus of my post.

 

We can all conjure up illustrations to exemplify our points of view. Yes, there are times when your post would be accurate. But that same scenario could be complicated by any number of things happening that could result in unintended injuries or deaths that might not have happened if that second gun hadn't been there. Life is filled with the unexpected.

 

So, IVF workers should be put to death?

They destroy numerous fertilized eggs (which you want to consider "people") in the normal course of business.

Would one of those workers be MORE guilty if they destroyed one of their own fertilized eggs than if they destroyed numerous fertilized eggs of other people every day?

 

If you ever legalize your point of view, the results will create more pain & suffering by a hundredfold, than the suffering we now cause with abortion. And, you will ruin many more lives than abortion now takes by far. However you regard abortion, making the law say abortion is equivalent to murder would be a national & a social nightmare. Roe v Wade was a difficult but sensible answer to the question. I can't see how we can improve on it, regardless of our individual points of view. Every other choice is far worse.

 

No, I prefer honest arguments.

There is no correlation between suicide and firearm ownership.

I'm fine with population density. The 100k argument is BETTER for densely packed populations, as even 1 murder in a non-densely packed county would lead to double digit homicide rates per 100k.

Overall crime rates are fine, as long as you look at where the crimes are actually occurring. Since crime rates within a state vary wildly from one county to another, one cannot use state level violence as an honest argument about where crime predominately occurs.

Where does crime predominately occur? In counties that are primarily composed of Democrat voters.

 

I wonder how much of that has to do with the immigrant influx, the numbers seem to correlate to precisely to just be a coincidence.

 

I don't see any analytic organization showing an increase in the number of undocumented aliens in the US. Numbers seem to be pretty much static since about 2008 or 2009.

So, I doubt this "influx" thing.

 

In the U.K., not the US

 

I’ll take my chances and stay armed. You go be a sheep if you want.

 

Background checks probably could never eliminate guns getting to killers illegally, but they might help. They could reduce the numbers of guns reaching killers, & that would improve the situation. Solving the problem completely will require a much broader approach, with many tenets of law & enforcement to back them up.

 

Me shooting a killer with my own gun has a much better chance of helping.

 

Incorrect. Parroting anti gun propaganda does not help your agenda.

 

Bad pic - will fix(?)

 

You are literally saying you believe armed women defending themselves with guns is wrong.

Literally.

 

They hate it when people refuse to be a victim. It makes all the people who are willfully victims look bad. Willful victims vote democrat.

 

That is the problem. How many LEGAL and LAW-ABIDING people will get their rights violated because some people think certain laws MIGHT help?

 

Yehhh but, the first x 5 have commensurately more personal freedoms afforded them in leading an independent & self sufficient life, freer from the shackles of da nanny state. (I know which I'd choose)

Seriously though, you are comparing apples to oranges here & there is never just one attributable causality, as you seem to be inferring. We are talking about radically different populations, population densities & lifestyles here, not to mention multitudinous additional factors. Furthermore, If we're talking % of population vs. straight up numbers - there is quite a disparity. BTW what exactly defines your 'gun related death'? What percent are accidents?

 

Second try:

 

I'm looking at the chart next to the heading "managed migration" in this wiki entry concerning immigration in UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_immigration_to_the_United_Kingdom

I notice that the number of UK citizens is up and that immigration has been roughly constant since 2008 - much the same as in the US.

 

That usually happens when you video button to post an image or the image button to post an video....or sometimes, it just happens. Also, if it is an image, make sure you get to the actual image link and not the link for the site (i.e click on image itself before copying the link)

Is this the one you wanted?