Routine Traffic Stop leads to 7 dead - in Odessa

We have no idea whether or not he used his signal and following the rules of the road. Fact of the matter is that cops regularly pull people over and then make up some excuse after the fact - one of the common ones is "he didn't signal".

The idea that this fellow went on a killing spree - simply on the basis of being pulled over - is beyond simplistic. Many people have a long history of being angered by continual violation of civil liberties ... perhaps this fellow had been pulled over before unjustly - perhaps he was his having guns in the first place was illegal - and he thought - I ain't going to Jail .. .fk it - and snapped .. and being pulled over for no reason was the straw that broke the camels back.

I have no idea what was going on in this dudes head - and neither do you. Nor do I have any idea what is going on in the heads of the hundreds of millions of other people in this nation. Maybe his wife just left him - and is taking all his cash via child support and so he feels he has nothing left to live for. No Idea.

What I do know is that as the heat keep on increasing (civil liberties keep getting trampled on) combined with other factors such as economic hardship due to a rigged system -people are going to pop.

I can't tell you which ones are going to pop -just like in the popcorn analogy in the OP - What I can tell you is if the heat is kept on - eventually the lid comes off the pot.

 

Every abortion ruins two lives. The unborn and the mother who has to live with it ALL her life.

 

LOL -

 

I agree with the economic hardship issue. There are data to show that - maybe not for mass murder, but certainly for crime in general.

I'm very sure I don't understand this "civil liberties" thing you seem to think is driving people to mass murder.

 

The problem started before the latest wave of immigration.

“THE number of crimes involving handguns reached
its highest level for seven years in 2000…

The total was more than a third up on the previous
year, according to figures given in a parliamentary
written answer by Lord Bassam of Brighton, a Home
Office minister.” Thomas Harding, “Handgun crime soars despite
Dunblane ban,” The Telegraph, 11/01/01.

 

So, if I'm following you, whether he was justly pulled over or not is irrelevant. It was just one more straw, out of many straws to set this guy off. It could have been him ordering a burger that didn't look like the picture, for instance (cheap movie reference). Sorry, but that is something called "life". We all have our struggles....and many of us do not go into a murdering spree.

I still do not see the "bad law". I have little doubt that some cops do make up or find an excuse to pull people over. However, I would say it is the rare exception more than it being a rule. In most forces, pulling someone over involves paperwork...something most cops hate. Even so, that is not "bad law". That is just your standard abuse of authority.

 

10th grade English classes tells us the difference between a descriptive adjective and a noun. Sperm can be described as human life - but this does not make it a human. A single human heart cell is "human life" - but it is not a human.

The subject matter domain within biology that determines what is "a human" (notice the noun form of the word is being used here) and what is not is Taxonomy. In order to be "a human" - the prospective organism must have membership - and the accompanying characteristics of "ALL" the following clubs.

Domain Eukarya Nucleus, organelles
Kingdom Animalia
Phylum Chordata
Class Mammalia Nurse offspring
Order Primates
Family Hominidae
Genus
Species

Unfortunately - the zygote has only membership in one of the clubs .. Eukarya - it is a single Eukaryotic cell - just like other human cells.

Being a stage in the human life cycle does not make that entity a human. Being a "Homo Sapiens" makes that entity a human - from a scientific perspective.

 

No idea what you are blubbering about - and it certainly has nothing to do with the OP - get on track.

 

I am quite sure you are not trying very hard. Have you never heard of people protesting bad law ... someone has to be rather upset to get off the couch and do such a thing. There are others who are even more upset.

You are trying to see the issue from your perspective - rather than trying to see things through perspective of the attacker.

Have you taken any psychology or sociology classes that deal with this issue ? I think not.

 

There are already peoplw with guns that want to do harm . I dont know any , but i know there are.

 

Why are you a science denier?
http://www.biologyreference.com/La-Ma/Life-Cycle-Human.html

 

You were whining about civil liberties.

I'm just wondering what these civil liberties are that you think are causing people to start shooting people in shoppoing malls and synagogs, waving white supremacist icons and shouting hate speech.

Seriously - I want to know what's behind this argument of yours.

 

LOL - as a scientist working in the field of Biology - and having explained to you that your link does not say what you claim - followed by giving you the science - your calling me a "science denier" is Projection on steroids - and mindless denial of reality.

Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person.

Help can be found here https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/projection

 

I realize that you don't care about civil liberties but - claiming those who do are "whiners" is lame - and against forum rules

Those who are white supremacists are just one group - however these folks feel marginalized - like society is against them. 99.9 % of these people are not going to pick up a gun and go on a suicidal spree - however - the likelihood is increased. Combine this with other factors - economic issues (blamed on society) problems with women - most likely to due to the persons mental state .. and the likelihood increases further. When these folks pop they lash out at society - and it matters not who it is .. it is a statement against society the big middle finger in a blaze of violent mayhem.

Throw in some kind of apocalyptic narrative from religious mind control and a few other things and you can program people to do this kind of thing.

It is a statistical probability thing though in general - turn up the heat and that probability increases. Then every once in awhile you have folks who just go off the turnip truck and really don't fit any mold

 

White supremacists are considered by the FBI as a very real threat due to the number of viloent and lethal events they perpetrate. It's far more dangerous than any other group in America.

And, it often DOES affect who these criminals target. Their rhetoric targets religious and racial diviides.

There isn't anything American about this. The rhetoric is against the foundational principles we stand for as well as against our constitution. Plus, it's homicide - often qualifying as terrorism.

It's time we made it clear to these pathetic idiots that shooting people is not excusable - that they are simply wrong. However, our president is himself a racist and simply isn't up to the task.

We need to start denying weapons oriented to this kind of criminal activity - blocking sales as well as limiting the weapons we allow on our streets. We seriously reduced full auto weapons. But, that's clearly NOT good enough.

One of these recent murderers failed a background check. So, he bought a gun through a hole in our background check system. That is one hole that absolutely has to get plugged.

And, somehow we have to end this childish, ignorant, whiney, unAmerican white supremcy crap.

 

Bongino is talking like a fool

Many people may follow his advice but the that wont bother liberals in the least

Because the goal is not a gun free America so much as neutered, crippled, defeated conservatives who are reduced to burying their guns in the backyard

Conservatives who must then worry about who will provide for their family after they are sent to jail

Gun owners must defeat the gun grabbers politically now before they become outlaws in their own home

 

Its never been debunked

 

Exactly

Its the only way to remain free

 

I agree with everything you have said with respect to White Supremacist groups. The OP is addressing the question of what are the motivating factors that drive these people who go out and kill a bunch of innocent people. What drives them to lash out at society in general ?

While guns are a tool that enables these people to shoot a bunch of people in a nightclub, theater, concert or school - A gun is not what has caused this person to feel marginalized and hate society.

Obviously one can see how White Supremacy groups both consist of folks who feel marginalized and are upset with society. It is also true that such ideologies serve to heighten this marginalization in some respects.

Further marginalizing these individuals - by restricting their ability to purchase firearms - or clamping down on freedom of speech and freedom of information - is only going to further marginalize such individuals.

An individual who is willing to sacrifice their life for a cause - is going to get a firearm - legal or otherwise. Driving these groups underground only serves to increase their sense that society is against them and increase their hatred of society in general.

It is one thing to dislike someone's politics - it is quite another thing to use physical violence (Law) to try to ban some one from having certain ideas in their head.

The way to fight White Supremacists is to get them onto a debate stage - have them get out all their bad arguments - and then crush those arguments. Trying to cover up this problem with a blanket and hope this will cause the problem to go away will only cause the disease to fester and grow.

Lastly - when the Gov't has no respect for individual liberty - what does this teach society ? If Gov't has no respect for individual liberty - this teaches that disrespecting individual liberty is OK. Clamping down on individual liberty increases the marginalization and hatred of individuals towards society.

This increases the probability that someone out there is going to pop.

 

Your posts have been debunked loads of times

 

I see.

 

I think it's reasonable to believe that there are a lot of conservatives who will follow the laws that apply to where they live.

Really, they aren't all criminals.

 

There are many dedicated to following the rule of law who desperately do Not want to become 'criminals' overnight - through inaction. When there is a clear bedrock fundament to our way of life & Constitutional moorings being blatantly paved over by legislators not following the law (criminals in their own right), obedience to the tenets of our Constitution supersedes unconstitutional 'law', perhaps. This particular issue is singularly unique, the cornerstone upon which all of our enshrined rights, liberties & freedoms hinge!

 

What laws are driving these terrorists to start murdering people in numbers?

And, no, you don't get to talk about laws as if they are some sort of violence. We're talking about murder here.

 

Oh, sure.

But, what I hear frome these folks is raw hate for Americans who don't have the right skin color or the right biological gender, or who don't share other of their various biggotted views.

That's not freedom. The are ANTI freedom. They're so anti freedom that their ready to march against freedom and equality and to even go so far as to kill people in mass numbers.

I see nothing in our founding documents to support criminality of that magnitude.