Russia Angrily Demands U.S. Stop Sending Weapons to Ukraine

No American missile defense system can carry nuclear warheads.

 

No we had an unofficial agreement with the new Russian Federation not to move NATO east after they agreed to allowing the unification of Germany and include them in NATO. Unfortunately for Russia there was no signed agreement but the national archives has many conversations that took place between Yeltsin, Bush and Clinton agreeing to that. Clinton broke his agreement.

 

Yes, I gave a possible remote scenario in 267 to YOUR remote hypothetical in 229...

I'm pretty sure PF.com numbers their posts in oldest to newest order... FFS

 

You’re asking that question to someone who might be strongly critical of how we go about things, but not that we need to do so and do so strongly.

We’ve tried the backing down thing. Russias been testing us for years buzzing our planes and ships dozens, if not hundreds of times. We let them do it, drawing no lines in the sand about it, and they test us further by annexing Crimea and fighting a proxy war in Ukraine since 2014. And that’s just Russia, let alone all the signals we’ve sent them in what they can expect from us by how we’ve acted in other countries. Our complete lack of holding China accountable for unleashing a pandemic on the world? Afghanistan withdrawal?

whether you might think any of these examples are tests or not, I fully believe Putin did. Nobody does what he’s trying to do on impulse. N.Korea is conducting tests and those have been both literal and figurative.

Where in all this can you say there are success stories? I can’t think of any.

So yeah, I think had we had told Russia from the onset of its Buzzing theatrics that if they do it again we’ll shoot the bastard down. Thugs need to be stood up to or they’ll escalate all on their own and you’ll be forced to escalate.

There’s no greater example of that than Hitler.

 

This may come as a total shock to you, but the US doesn't speak for or control NATO... We are a member

Hey... trivia question - Guess who said this, in 2014??

SNIP
"The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all, and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."
ENDSNIP

https://web.archive.org/web/20220222223845/https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm#c203

 

No. I differentiate political leaders from their constituents. For instance, I think Trump is a stone-cold idiot but I don't believe all his supporters are idiots. I think Biden is just out-to-lunch and Harris and Pelosi are the best damn life insurance policy the man could ever have. I need to live in a world where my fellow Americans are not as god-awful as all of them.

My posting history shows sorrow for ALL the families (Russian, Ukrainian and the American soldier that was killed recently, etc.) that have lost soldiers in this not-being-called-a-war.

I am not okay with causing hardships to anybody, including Russian people and I never said I hate Putin. I'm generally not a hateful or reactionary person.

My comment was not meant to offend you. I was just thankful you are helping me understand the situation better and realized that I didn't know your position on either or both sides. If I have read it, I'm not pulling it up in my brain's memory bank that's been awake for about 50 hours now.

 

It's believed Hitler did not use chemical weapons because the Nazi's could not deploy them safely enough to protect their own soldiers, but he did use them on jews and political opponents in controlled situations.

 

But every news report I hear always states the "US led NATO countries"...And we hardly ever hear from the NATO's Supreme Allied Commander, it's always Biden who discusses what NATO is doing. Why do you think the US needs to constantly reassure NATO countries the US is 100% with NATO? Because without the US NATO wouldn't exist.

 

Is that a total pass on my trivia question??

A - Mickey Gorbachev.... somebody who would probably be in a position to know whether future NATO expansion east was discussed or discouraged at the time...

Also, I see that NATO guy Stoltenberg on TV all the time (you really don't need to hear from the SAC, do you?)... If you don't see him, I recommend better news sources...

 

Doesn't mean our control of NATO is absolute.

 

Course they can - don't be silly. Why do you think US Scientists and Engineers are such idiotic morons - that they can't retrofit a missile.

 

I'm smart enough to know that the same missile designed to kill another missile by hitting it directly and carries no warhead can't be "retrofitted" to carry a nuclear warhead that masses at least 100 lbs. or more.

And so are you.

 

Thought you were a History Teacher -- claimed to specialize in 20th century History.. Russia was not defeated in WW2 Now perhaps you might wish for such a thing .. but wishes are not reality mate ..

 

They lost the Cold War.

 

My cousin was a nuclear missile technician for more than 20 years in the U.S. Air Force. At Cheyenne and later at Barksdale.

 

Which means you elaborated on my earlier posting regarding general concerns where jumpy NATO countries might do something stupid to get NATO directly into war with Russia. I don't expect you to concede so I'll give you the last word on this.

 

I just want to say this about Putin, he has been warning the US he would retaliate if NATO continued to move towards Russia and he was, unfortunately to many innocent people in Ukraine and Russia true to his word.

 

Since the US never ended the Cold War with Russia how then did Russia lose it?

 

Yes, I can fully understand a man feeling backed into a corner when he's given ample warning and set a hard boundary. Everyone has the right to protect their own space. It's just like you said - it's heartbreaking that it comes at such a high cost for the Ukrainian and Russian people.

 

How is Russia "his (Putins) space"

 

Economic collapse.

 

Putin is obviously trying to put as much of the USSR back together as he can. It's something he's been talking about doing for a long time, this is his 4th conflict that is part of it..

Putin thought he could get away with it, but dictators never understand how the West works. Now he has over 40 countries helping Ukraine fight against his brutal invasion.

 

Thats vunderbar .. but having a distant relative who knows something about science .. doesn't mean you do. Then there is the issue of comprehension .. what is being said .. if a subject was broached .. won't help us much .. to understand vexing question

 

Got the History backwards mate .. Russia did not have economic collapse after the cold war ended.. after the wall fell. It was at that point .. Russia's economy was already collapsed .. done nothing but to up up up since then .. Russia is an economic vunderkid compared to what it used to be .. another capitalism success story.

 

A first cousin is not what I would call a "distant relative".

Why can't you just be honest @Gifteddone? No matter what I post about the subject of nuclear weapons you will never and I mean never believe me.