Russia caught lying again. Finally admits truth about MH17

'To turn the radar on full' - is a new word in the radar technology. It's interesting how the hell it is possible to increase and decrease the radar on a launcher of BUK? Is it the same logics as with the sound speakers? ))

The logics of BUK is quite easy. You have a radar system (KUPOL-M) stationery and mobile. You have 6 launchers (because the enemy aircraft is usually not polite enough as to fly just into the zone of activity of a single launcher. There is a commander in a command vehicle who reads the signal for half an hour and it is his job to identify the target, make a decision to shoot it down and to make the order to the launcher to execute it. Then the operator of launcher receives the coordinates, course, speed, altitude and he doesn't really scan all the sky for he got an order and executes it. If his radar is 'on full' or 'on minimum' it doesn't change anything on the screen and in the sky. The rocket launcher doesn't make decisions.

If rebels had anything like BUK they would never attack anything at the altitude of a liner and with the speed of a liner having the size of a liner. Because it is seen that it is a liner and the valuable rocket in their situation is not to be wasted on it while they are bombed and rocketed by fascists.

 

This story sucks from the very beginning. The inexperienced people would never use a BUK successfully. It is not just fire and forget like it happens in the movies. First of all if they were inexperienced they would be destroyed by ukrainian fighters. The radar on a launcher is visible for ukrainian systems and the range of anti-radar missiles makes such a targer as lonely BUK with inexperienced personnel - a priority target sweet as a piece of cake...

Unfortunately people who know about radars and rockets from Hollywood movies really believe this story. And not only this story they do believe.

 

Facts my dear man, facts. Propaganda is never facts, only news is factual. Kerry's mistake number one, is that he did what every lawyer knows they should never do...and that is to prejudice the jury. Kerry immediately accused the freedom fighters of shooting down the plane, and even Vladimir Putin without presenting any facts.

Now that alone should make what he is saying suspect. By the way, we're still waiting for the American satellite images.

In the 1980's an American asked a Soviet what he considered America's greatest accomplishment, and he said; propaganda. "But", said the American, "you have propaganda too". "Yes", replied the Soviet, "but the difference is that in the Soviet Union no one believes it, while in the US everyone does".

 

Since you showed the children of Donbas, I thought this video would be of interest.

[video=youtube;aHWHqj8g7Bk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk[/video]

 

In U.S. Versions there is a passive and active Radar and IR-Light Signature detection.

Radars such as the BUK do have a passive system.

AboveAlpha

 

Then this means there was a Russian Advisor in there with them who screwed up.

I don't think that was the case.

I think these Seperatists were basically told to guard the SAM unit and they were being trained to use it....they detected an incoming aircraft while the member of Spetsnaz took a lunch break or whatever....one of the Seperatists thought he would be a Hero and shot the damn 777 out of the sky.

A member of Spetsnaz would not make this mistake...I KNOW....I trained with them.

The NSA Recordings....AND ANY MEMBER HERE CAN GOOGLE THEM AND LISTEN TO THEM IN RUSSIAN AND TRANSLATED INTO ANY LANGUAGE....clearly show this to be a BLUNDER of EPIC PROPORTIONS!!!

AboveAlpha

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Kerry was right.

AboveAlpha

 

Your posting to the wrong person to try to convince someone there were no members of Spetsnaz in the Crimea and all along the Black Sea Shoreline as there is now.

I trained with Spetsnaz in the 1990's during an exchange program.

I know they were and are there.

AboveAlpha

 

Google NSA Recordings Seperatist SAM Shoot Down 777 Ukraine.

All the evidence you want.

AboveAlpha

 

You did something wrong. I never said that the Russian troops were not in the Crimea. They were always there after 1778. The agreement with Ukraine allows you to have in Crimea about 25 thousand Russian soldiers. It is due to their presence in Crimea after the Ukrainian revolution managed to do without bloodshed, as the rest of Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet#Black_Sea_Fleet_and_Ukraine

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/04/21/russia.ukraine/index.html?hpt=T2

If Russian troops in Donbass - have been able to do without blood there. But they were not there.

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Please provide a direct link.

 

Private investigation done by Dutch Max van der Werff.

Read more here: http://7mei.nl/2015/05/18/mh17-buk-launch-photos-are-cheats/

 

I will now rest my case.

 

And here it is, Poroshenko caught lying once again...but that's okay Washington doesn't care after all it owns the media. They'll just make sure it's not mentioned in any of the MSM. (Why do I remember Kiev moving four Buks into the area two days before the shoot down of the airliner?)

Twitter users found a June 6, 2014 announcement on the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense website (archived copy) detailing the handover of a Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile system to Ukraine's military from a Kharkov repair facility.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's advisor denied on Thursday that Ukraine possessed any Buk-M1 systems at the time of the July 17, 2014 Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash.

On Friday, a Russian Ministry of Defense representative said that the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko advisor's statement was "completely absurd," adding that "Such outright lying by a high-ranking official is simply inappropriate."
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FROM THE ARCHIVE

"The first Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile system repaired in Ukraine will enter combat duty as soon as possible. The signing of the act to accept the system from repairs shows that domestic industry has mastered repairing surface-to-air systems of this type," the Ukrainian surface-to-air missile forces commander, Major General Dmitro Karpenko told the publication.

"The difficulty was in that unlike many other types of weapons and military equipment, the surface-to-air missile system of this type has never been developed, manufactured or repaired in Ukraine before," the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense website said.


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Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150607/1023057320.html#ixzz3cPOZ6dLo

 

Above Alpha thinks that people of NovoRussia fired a missile at an airliner, and he wants us to to believe in some faked "recordings" as the sole evidence of his thinking.
Does he really expect any person with even a slight awareness of the lies and deception continually put out by the US, to believe in that NSA junk?

To this day, no valid evidence has been shown that proves that NovoRussia shot down a Malay airliner. And the fact that the US has been acting in bad faith with mal intent and lying about what's going on in Ukraine, and has instigated all the chaos, suffering and death in Ukraine and in other countries, completely disproves any claims that the US can make against NovoRussia or Russia.

 

The systems of active and passive radars are different in its essense. There is no possibility to 'turn on full' the one to get the other.

 

Amazing and easy logics. But
- Spetsnaz is a group of specifically trained fighters, who are the analogue of your Delta forces. They might know how to use BUK rockets but that is not there specialty. Like it is not the specialty of Delta to launch Patriot missiles. And even if it happens these people would never be sent as an instructor! It is the same as to send a professor of Oxford to a problematic school to give the pupils a lesson on their behaviour.

- The commander has a personal key-card. Without it the system doesn't shoot. So the responsibility for BUK operation is serious. And the guy would for sure take care of his key card while having a lunch.

- And again. In order to get the information about the plane on a height of 10 km they should either keep the radar working (which would make them an easy prey for ukrainian pilots) or to get the information from a radar of working KUPOL-M which was engaged that day by the ukrainian army.

Ouch. When I read the report of Almaz-Antei I learn something new about rockets, physics but once I see how different people are believing any nonsense from the Internet I can only learn a lesson that I already know well. People want to trust easy lies. The easier - the better.

I think there was a flood somewhere on the Globe... Why don't I post a video of my phone conversation with a friend of mine telling that it was us responsible?

 

Above Alpha is not stupid, he's merely repeating what Kerry said, and what he's been told to say. The premise is that if you say something often enough, then people will believe it...no matter how ridiculous.

A Russian saint once said, what began in the Soviet Union will end in the US. Well we're seeing it... the lies, the hypocrisy, the brain washing, the indifference towards human life, the bullying, the blackmailing, the suppression of religious values, etc., etc.

 

The Russian insurgents had already shot down Ukrainian aircraft with SAM's, and continued to do so after MH17... using supplied and stolen equipment. It's as sad that people still believe and propagate Kremlin lies as much as it is that the Kremlin invests effort in misleading for political gain. Funny to watch the 'invention' of the Kremlin supporters though - get a real job maybe?

 

So what is wrong with shooting down terrorist aircraft? And who says they used BUK systems to do it? And what did the folks in NovoRussia steal?
The US stole Ukraine via its puppet hijacker terrorists and is working to depopulate Ukraine for Israeli interests.

 

I was just using that term to let others to get some limited understanding rather than have to go through a very long exlaination about the difference between ACTIVE AND PASSIVE DETECTION SYSTEMS!!!

Not everyone or every member here understand such things....never mind has the patience to read a 1000 word explaination about it.

Would YOU like to explain this for them?

If you would...BE MY GUEST!!!

AboveAlpha

 

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between U.S. DELTA FORCE and SPETSNAZ.

Spetsnaz is more akin to SOCOM MEMBERS and there are members of Spetsnaz who act just like U.S. Green Beret's.....who help set up defenses and help a population train fighters direct insurections, propoganda...etc.

Spetsnaz is an ALL IN ONE Russian Special Forces Division of the Russian Military.

The U.S. Military and Special Forces, Special Teams, CIA Teams, NSA...Green Beret's....Army Rangers.....well the U.S. Military is much more SPECIALIZED in how it has specific units to do specific things.

Spetsnaz is more an ALL IN ONE version of this.

AboveAlpha

 

We have actual EVIDENCE to back up what I am saying.

A member can go on GOOGLE EARTH as even GOOGLE EARTH never mind U.S. Spy Satellites caught the members of Spetsnaz and the Seperatists loading the dead bodies from the crash sight and disturbing the area of evidence!!!

The Russian SAM manufacturer HAS COME CLEAN!!!

They have already ADMITTED their missile downed the 777.

AboveAlpha

 

Well, take this evidence. Show them. Pass to the Government of the United States. It wants to accuse Russia with the evidence. But for some reason does not work

 

Please show me on piece of evidence or link that has any member of the U.S. Government directly accusing Russia or Spetsnaz for being the one's that shot down the 777.

We KNOW a member of Spetsnaz did not do this.

The Russian's are indirectly responsible for the shoot down of that 777 for allowing a Bunch of Seperatist Morons to be in control of that SAM Launcher....but we KNOW who did it.

The NSA records and stores EVERY SINGLE BIT OF ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION OCCURING ON THE OR ABOVE THE PLANET!!!

Russia knows this....Putin absolutely knows this.

This is why it took a PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE EXECUTIVE ORDER to force the NSA to release those recordings of the Seperatist Communication giving the bad news to Spetsnaz Leadership and so on all the way up to Putin's Aid.

The NSA did not want to release this recording data because it shows just how extremely advanced and comprehensive NSA Data Recording and Collection exists at.

AboveAlpha

 

This post is total bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

The only reason the separatists were picking up the bodies is because no one would come get them and they were ROTTING IN THE SUMMER HEAT!! Some bodies came through people's roofs and lay as they fell for days. The OSCE was there at the time and noted that no one seemed to be in a hurry to get to the crash site.

As for the current BUK manufacturer, their claim is that if it was a BUK that hit MH17, that it was an older model no longer used by Russia, but still used in Ukraine. The reason for their investigation was to show that sanctions should not be applied to them as the older BUKS were produced before that company took over the manufacture of the BUK system for Russia.

But, hey, don't let little things like reason and fact get in the way of your storytelling (as if it ever does).

 

Did you forget about what Russian Officials said???

(CNN) -- A Malaysia Airlines passenger jet crashed in a rebel-controlled part of eastern Ukraine on Thursday, spurring swift accusations from Ukrainian officials that "terrorists" shot down the aircraft.

The United States has concluded a missile shot down the plane, but hasn't pinpointed who was responsible, a senior U.S. official told CNN's Barbara Starr.

The Boeing 777 with 298 people aboard fell from the sky near the town of Torez in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, officials said. A top Ukrainian official said the plane, which was on the way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was flying at about 10,000 meters (nearly 33,000 feet) when the missile hit.

Nationalities aboard MH17
154 Dutch
43 Malaysian (including 15 crew)
27 Australian
12 Indonesian
9 British
4 German
4 Belgian
3 Filipino
1 Canadian
41 Unverified

A radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down, the senior U.S. official said. A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit, the official said. The United States is analyzing the trajectory of the missile to try to learn where the attack came from, the official said.

The Obama administration believes Ukraine did not have the capability in the region -- let alone the motivation -- to shoot down the plane, a U.S. official told CNN's Jake Tapper.


What we know about the MH17 crash
Flight attendant loses friends on MH17 Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said the plane never made a distress call.

He called for an international team to have full access to the crash site.

Debris from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 sits in a field at the crash site in Hrabove, Ukraine, on Tuesday, September 9. The Boeing 777 is believed to have been shot down July 17 in an area of eastern Ukraine controlled by pro-Russian rebels. Australian and Dutch experts examine the area of the crash on Sunday, August 3. A woman walks with her bicycle near the crash site on Saturday, August 2. Police secure a refrigerated train loaded with bodies of passengers from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 as it arrives in a Kharkiv, Ukraine, factory on Tuesday, July 22. A pro-Russian rebel passes wreckage from the crashed jet near Hrabove on Monday, July 21. Wreckage from the jet lies in grass near Hrabove on July 21. A man covers his face with a rag as members of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and the Dutch National Forensic Investigations Team inspect bodies in a refrigerated train near the crash site in eastern Ukraine on July 21. Emergency workers carry a victim's body in a bag at the crash site on July 21. A piece of the plane lies in the grass in eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region on July 21. An armed pro-Russian rebel stands guard next to a refrigerated train loaded with bodies in Torez, Ukraine, on Sunday, July 20. Ukrainian State Emergency Service employees sort through debris on July 20 as they work to locate the deceased. A woman covers her mouth with a piece of fabric July 20 to ward off smells from railway cars that reportedly contained passengers' bodies. Toys and flowers sit on the charred fuselage of the jet as a memorial on July 20. People search a wheat field for remains in the area of the crash site on July 20. A woman walks among charred debris at the crash site on July 20. Emergency workers load the body of a victim onto a truck at the crash site on Saturday, July 19. Emergency workers carry the body of a victim at the crash site on July 19. A large piece of the main cabin is under guard at the crash site on July 19. Victims' bodies are placed by the side of the road on July 19 as recovery efforts continue at the crash site. International officials lament the lack of a secured perimeter. A man looks through the debris at the crash site on July 19. An envelope bearing the Malaysia Airlines logo is seen at the crash site on July 19. Armed rebels walk past large pieces of the Boeing 777 on July 19. Ukrainian rescue workers walk through a wheat field with a stretcher as they collect the bodies of victims on July 19. A woman looks at wreckage on July 19. Pro-Russian rebels stand guard as the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe delegation arrives at the crash site on Friday, July 18. A woman walks through the debris field on July 18. Pro-Russian rebels stand guard at the crash site. Wreckage from Flight 17 lies in a field in Shaktarsk, Ukraine, on July 18. A man covers a body with a plastic sheet near the crash site on July 18. The passengers and crew hailed from all over the world, including Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Germany and Canada. A diver searches for the jet's flight data recorders on July 18. Coal miners search the crash site. Wreckage from the Boeing 777 lies on the ground July 18. People search for bodies of passengers on July 18. A woman walks past a body covered with a plastic sheet near the crash site July 18. Belongings of passengers lie in the grass on July 18. People inspect the crash site on Thursday, July 17. People walk amid the debris at the site of the crash. Debris smoulders in a field near the Russian border. Fire engines arrive at the crash site. A man stands next to wreckage. Debris from the crashed jet lies in a field in Ukraine. Family members of those aboard Flight 17 leave Schiphol Airport near Amsterdam, Netherlands.

"If it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators must swiftly be brought to justice," Najib said.

Ukrainian officials maintained that pro-Russian separatists were behind the crash.


The timeline before MH17 crashed Russian President Vladimir Putin said Ukraine's military campaign against the separatists was to blame.

"This tragedy would not have happened, if there had been peace on that land, or in any case, if military operations in southeastern Ukraine had not been renewed," Putin said in televised remarks. "And without a doubt the government of the territory on which it happened bears responsibility for this frightening tragedy."

Ukraine's state security chief accused two Russian military intelligence officers of involvement and said they must be punished.

Valentyn Nalyvaichenko said he based his allegation on intercepts of phone conversations between the two officers. "Now you know who carried out this crime. We will do everything for the Russian military who carried out this crime to be punished," he told reporters.

The jet plunged toward the ground in a fireball, leaving a trail of black smoke behind in the sky.

Emergency crews scrambled to what witnesses described as a staggering scene of death and utter destruction.

"People said the plane kind of exploded in the air, and that everything rained down in bits and pieces, the plane itself, the people inside," said Noah Sneider, an American freelance journalist who interviewed witnesses at the scene.

LINK....http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html

AboveAlpha...p.s....All Aircraft Crashes are investigated by the U.S. Aviation Administration....they have concluded this was a MISSILE STRIKE that brought down the 777 as the Ukraine Air Force does NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DOWN A 777 WITH A SOVIET ERA BUILT UKRAINIAN FIGHTER/ATTACH AIRCRAFT THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PRESSURIZED CABIN!!!

Nor could it have kept up with a 777 at 33,000 traveling at 550 Miles per Hour.